Author Topic: 68 st columbs well bridget ryans/saynders (Read 2361 times)

Gladclark · « **on:** Tuesday 27 July 21 21:57 BST (UK) »

Please can anyone help. Does anyone know of a Bristol Bridget Ryan's nee Saunders who housed a young girl in 68 colubms well in 1931 her name was Mary/Catherine Mullan. Any information would be wonderful thank you.

gaffy · « **Reply #1 on:** Wednesday 28 July 21 16:29 BST (UK) »

Hi there and welcome, I'm finding it difficult to respond to your query, based on the amount of information you've provided... I'm just not sure what you already know... versus what information you are seeking.

Anyhow, picking up on the address you mentioned... the Londonderry Sentinel of March 1927 reported that a Robert 'Ryans' of 68 St. Columb's Wells, a Polisher and Honorary Secretary of the St. Columbus Old Oak Band, was applying to keep and use their Band Hall premises (in Walker's Place) for public dancing, concert, variety amusement or other public entertainments.

The Derry Journal of September 1932 reported that a Patrick Saunders of 68 St. Columb's Wells was one of three applicants for the transfer of a dance hall licence attached to premises at 24 Orchard Street.

Issues of the Derry Journal in Oct 1932 and September 1933 mention a Robert Ryan at 68 St. Columb's Wells.

Presumably this was Bridget Saunders in 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__4_/St__Columb_s_Wells/603989/

I'm happy to find out more about Bridget's ancestry if that's what you need. Is that it..? Or is the query about Mary/Catherine Mullan?

Gladclark · « **Reply #2 on:** Wednesday 28 July 21 16:53 BST (UK) »

Bridget Ryans nee Saunders collected my Nan from an orphanage in 1931 Nazareth House Glasgow. The paperwork which is very limited states that she was her Aunt. We think we have found her Mom Mary Mullans in Scotland but we are finding next to nothing about her father as everything is unknown. What we do know is that Bridget stopped my nan from being adopted and taken to America around 1927 but left her in the orpanage until she was 13. My nan then moved to st columb wells with Bridget her husband. 3 children also lived at the house. My Nan was there for many years until she married and kept in touch over the years. She always asked Bridget who her parents were but was told she did not need to know.We are trying to find out the connection between Bridget Ryans and my nan and how she had the authority to block the adoption of my nan to her sister. if you are able to find out any information i would love to hear anything many thanks lisa.

aghadowey · « **Reply #3 on:** Wednesday 28 July 21 22:18 BST (UK) »

Bridget Ryan (parents- Robert & Bridget Ryan), born- Derry, residence-68 Saint Columbs Wells, aged 1 years 6 months, died 23 Nov 1923, buried 24 Nov 1923, plot M-D-741 Derry City Cemetery, proprietor- Bridget Dalby 68 Saint Columbs Wells.

Others in same plot-
- Joseph Saunders, parents- Daniel & Jane Saunders, born Derry, residence 68 St Columbs Wells, age 17 years, died 15 Mar 1917, buried 18 Mar 1917   [proprietor Bridget Daly 65 St Columb's Wells [65 may be mistranscribed 68]]
- Rosanne Saunders, parents- Danl & Jane Saunders, born Coolkeeragh Co.Donegal, residence 68 St. Columbs Wells, age 27 years, died 26 Dec 1917, buried 28 Dec 1917 [proprietor Bridget Dalbey 68 St.Columb Wells]
- Ellen Saunders, parents- John & Annie Diamond, born Derry, residence 54 St Columbs Wells, age 31 years, died 2 Apr 1919, buried 4 Apr 1919 [proprietor Bridget Walby 68 St Columbs Wells]
- Susan Martin, parents- William & Rosanne Murray, born Co Derry, residence 38 Nelson Street, age 32 years, died 3 Jun 1919, buried 5 Jun 1919 [proprietor Bridget Dalby    68 St Columbs Wells]
- Rose Anne Saunders, parents- John & Mary Struthers, born Derry, residence 109 St. Columbs Wells, age   4 months, died 24 May 1922, buried 25 May 1922 [proprietor Bridget Dalby 68 St. Columbs Wells]

https://www.derrystrabane.com/Subsites/Museums-and-Heritage/City-Cemetery-Records-Project

aghadowey · « **Reply #4 on:** Wednesday 28 July 21 22:35 BST (UK) »

- Mary Jane Saunders, parents Daniel & Jane Saunders, born Derry, residence- Quarry Street, age 1 years 3 months, died 11 Aug 1900, buried 13 Aug 1900, plot M--   Derry City Cemetery, Working Class [public grave?]
- Robert Saunders, parents- Daniel & Jane Saunders, born 7 Quarry Street, residence 7 Quarry Street, age 1 years 4 months, died 29 Mar 1902, buried 31 Mar 1902, plot M--   Derry City Cemetery, Working Class
- Ellen Saunders, parents- Daniel & Jane Saunders, born Paisley, residence 52 Saint Columbs Wells, age 14 years, died 31 Mar 1906, buried 2 Apr 1906, plot M-d-45 Derry City Cemetery, proprietor- Daniel Saunders 52 Saint Columbs Wells
- William Saunders, parents Daniel & Jane Saunders, born Clydebank, residence 62 St. Columbs Wells, age 20 years, died 19 Aug 1913, buried 21 Aug 1913, plot M-D-45 Derry City Cemetery, proprietor Daniel Saunders 52 St. Columbs Wells
- Daniel Saunders, parents Daniel & Jane Saunders, born Derry, residence 68 St. Columb's Wells, age 20 years, died 23 Jun 1915, buried 30 Jun 1915, plot M -D-45 Derry City Cemetery, proprietor Daniel Saunders 52 St. Columb's Wells
- Daniel Saunders, parents James and Bridget Saunders, born County Cavan, residence 68 St. Columb's Wells, aged 62 years, died 17 Mar 1928, buried 19 Mar 1928, plot M-D-45 Derry City Cemetery, proprietor Daniel Saunders 52 St. Columb's Wells
- Margaret Saunders, parents Daniel and Mary Saunders, born Derry, residence 21 Inishowen Gardens, age 10 days   , died 28 Jan 1954, buried 29 Jan 1954, plot L-A-41 Derry City Cemetery, proprietor John Diamond 17 The Wells
- Baby Saunders, parents Daniel and Mary Saunders, born City and County Hospital, residence 21 Inishowen Gardens, Stillborn 29 Jan 1956, buried 30 Jan 1956, plot L-WC- Derry City Cemetery Public Ground Working Class Plot
- Baby Saunders, parents Daniel and Mary Saunders, born Derry, residence 21 Inishowen Gardens, Stillborn, buried 23 Aug 1957, plot L-WC- Derry City Cemetery Public Ground Working Class Plot

aghadowey · « **Reply #5 on:** Wednesday 28 July 21 23:33 BST (UK) »

aghadowey · « **Reply #6 on:** Thursday 29 July 21 11:27 BST (UK) »

It was late last night so I stopped searching and posted but have found out a bit more this morning

Daniel Saunders (c1866 Co.Cavan-17 Mar.1928), son of James & Bridget, m.(c1884 Scot.) Jane Murray (c1865 Buncrana, Donegal-3 June 1912 at 68 The Wells), daughter of William & Rose
Derry Journal, 11 Sept.1885: DERRY RURAL PETTY SESSIONS. … Rose Murray and Jane Saunders, mother and daughter, summoned Peggy Jane and Kate and Elizabeth M‘Gonigle for assaults, committed upon complainants at …
1891 census- Inchinnan, Renfrew.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__4_/St__Columb_s_Wells/603989/ (10 ch./6 liv.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05365/4496001.pdf
- Jane Saunders, parents William & Rosanne Murray, born Buncrana, 68 St. Columbs Wells, age 47 years, died 3 Jun 1912, buried 5 Jun 1912, plot M-d-45, proprietor Daniel Saunders 52 St. Columbs Wells
- Daniel Saunders, parents James and Bridget Saunders, born County Cavan, residence 68 St. Columb's Wells, aged 62 years, died 17 Mar 1928, buried 19 Mar 1928, plot M-D-45 Derry City Cemetery, proprietor Daniel Saunders 52 St. Columb's Wells
- Susan Martin, parents William & Rosanne Murray, born Co Derry, residence 38 Nelson Street, age 32 years, died 3 Jun 1919, buried 5 Jun 1919 [proprietor Bridget Dalby 68 St Columbs Wells] Sister of Jane (Murray) Saunders

2nd daughter-
Bridget Saunders (c1887-30 Dec.1945) m.(1911) Walter Dally; m. Robert Ryan (c1889-11 Apr.1939)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09957/5620136.pdf
Note: can't find married of Bridget to Robert Ryan(s)
Derry Journal, 27 July 1928: Bridget Ryans, St. Columb’s Wells., had Joseph Diamond, 54, St. Columb’s Wells, summoned for threatening and abusive language. Defendant …
Derry Journal, 12 Apr.1939: RYAN- April 11th, 1939, at his residence, 68, St. Columbs Wells, Derry, Robert, dearly- beloved husband of Bridget Ryan.—RIP. Funeral on Friday … at 2.30 p.m., to City Cemetery. On his soul, Sweet Jesus, have mercy. Queen of the …
- Robert Ryan, parents Michael & Sarah Ryan, born Derry, 68 St. Columbs Wells, age 52, died 11 Apr.1939, buried 14 Apr.1939, plot M-C-499 proprietor William Murray 13 Fulton Place.
Londonderry Sentinel, 22 Oct.1940: … Bridget Ryans, St. Columb’s Wells …
- Bridget Ryan, parents Daniel & Jean Saunders, born Derry, 68 St. Columb’s Wells, age 54, died 30 Dec.1945, buried 1 Jan.1946, plot M-C-499 proprietor William Murray 13 Fulton St.
In same plot as Robert & Bridget is a later birth- likely connected: Gabrielle Clare Sheerin, parents Cyril & Sarah J. Sheerin, born Derry, 68 St. Columbs Walk, age 2 yrs 11 mo., died 9 Mar.1961, buried 11 Mar.1961, plot M-C-499 proprietor William Murray 13 Fulton Place
1. Bridget Ryan (1922 Derry-23 Nov.1923)
Bridget Ryan (parents- Robert & Bridget Ryan), born- Derry, residence-68 Saint Columbs Wells, aged 1 years 6 months, died 23 Nov 1923, buried 24 Nov 1923, plot M-D-741 Derry City Cemetery, proprietor- Bridget Dalby 68 Saint Columbs Wells.
2. Robert Ryan (1933-21 Apr.1934)
Robert Ryans, parents Robert & Bridget Ryans, born Derry, Nazareth House, aged 11 months, died 21 Apr.1934, buried 22 Apr.1934, plot L-NAZ (Nazareth House)

aghadowey · « **Reply #7 on:** Thursday 29 July 21 11:31 BST (UK) »

3rd child-
William Saunders (c1889 Clydebank-19 Aug.1913 at 62 The Wells) m.(1912) Ellen Diamond (c1889-1919)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09929/5609789.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1913/05327/4482710.pdf
Derry Journal, 20 Aug.1913: August 19, at his residence, 63, SI. Columb’s Wells, Derry, William Saunders, aged _ years.—R.I.P. His remains will be removed for interment In the City Cemetery morrow (Thursday), …
- William Saunders, parents Daniel & Jane Saunders, born Clydebank, residence 62 St. Columbs Wells, age 20 years, died 19 Aug 1913, buried 21 Aug 1913, plot M-D-45 Derry City Cemetery, proprietor Daniel Saunders 52 St. Columbs Wells
- Ellen Saunders, parents- John & Annie Diamond, born Derry, residence 54 St Columbs Wells, age 31 years, died 2 Apr 1919, buried 4 Apr 1919 [proprietor Bridget Walby 68 St Columbs Wells]
1. Daniel Saunders (1913)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01441/1590003.pdf
Children of Daniel?
- Margaret Saunders, parents Daniel and Mary Saunders, born Derry, residence 21 Inishowen Gardens, age 10 days, died 28 Jan 1954, buried 29 Jan 1954, plot L-A-41 Derry City Cemetery, proprietor John Diamond 17 The Wells
- Baby Saunders, parents Daniel and Mary Saunders, born City and County Hospital, residence 21 Inishowen Gardens, Stillborn 29 Jan 1956, buried 30 Jan 1956, plot L-WC- Derry City Cemetery Public Ground Working Class Plot
- Baby Saunders, parents Daniel and Mary Saunders, born Derry, residence 21 Inishowen Gardens, Stillborn, buried 23 Aug 1957, plot L-WC- Derry City Cemetery Public Ground Working Class Plot
2. John Saunders (1916)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01328/1548457.pdf (parents- John Saunders & Ellen Diamond)
Possibly illegitimate child of widowed Ellen (Diamond) Saunders?

5th child-
Daniel Saunders (c1892 Derry/Scot.-23 June 1915)
Londonderry Sentinel, 14 Sept.1907: … .This case was also adjourned in order that M‘Clinlock’s father might be summoned. Daniel Saunders, 53, St. Columb’s Wells, was next summoned for stone-throwing in Foylestreet. In reply to Head-Constable O’Donohue, …
Derry Journal, 26 May 1915: … Private Daniel Saunders, Scottish Rifles, of St. Columb’s Wells. Derry …
- Daniel Saunders, parents Daniel & Jane Saunders, born Derry, residence 68 St. Columb's Wells, age 20 years, died 23 Jun 1915, buried 30 Jun 1915, plot M -D-45 Derry City Cemetery, proprietor Daniel Saunders 52 St. Columb's Wells
Note: cannot find death registration- perhaps died outside area as a result of the War?

6th child-
John Saunders (1897 at 13 Fulton St.) m.(1914) Margaret Jane Quigley
Londonderry Sentinel, 14 Mar.1907: Acting-Sergeant George Taylor summoned John Saunders, a lad living at St. Columb’s wells, for stone-throwing Monday night in Foyle-street, and at later hour in Market street. The constable stated …
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02239/1843392.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09856/5579464.pdf (groom’s age incorrect)

aghadowey · « **Reply #8 on:** Thursday 29 July 21 11:44 BST (UK) »

Quote from: Gladclark on Wednesday 28 July 21 16:53 BST (UK)

Bridget Ryans nee Saunders collected my Nan from an orphanage in 1931 Nazareth House Glasgow. The paperwork which is very limited states that she was her Aunt. We think we have found her Mom Mary Mullans in Scotland but we are finding next to nothing about her father as everything is unknown. What we do know is that Bridget stopped my nan from being adopted and taken to America around 1927 but left her in the orpanage until she was 13. My nan then moved to st columb wells with Bridget her husband. 3 children also lived at the house. My Nan was there for many years until she married and kept in touch over the years. She always asked Bridget who her parents were but was told she did not need to know.We are trying to find out the connection between Bridget Ryans and my nan and how she had the authority to block the adoption of my nan to her sister. if you are able to find out any information i would love to hear anything many thanks lisa.

If Bridget (Saunders) Ryan was Bridget's aunt then, in theory, there are only a few possibilities.
1) child was a daughter of one of Bridget's siblings. Most of them died at a fairly early age and only ones still alive c1917 (around the time child was born?)-
-Rosanne Saunders, died unmarried 26 Dec.1917 at 68 St. Columb's Wells
-John Saunders m.(1914) Margaret Jane Quigley
-Joseph Saunders, died unmarried 15 Mar.1917 at 68 St. Columb's Wells
2) child of sister/brother in law of Bridget's
-brother William's widow Ellen (Diamond) Saunders died 1919- she probably gave birth to John Saunders in 1916
3) child of Walter Dally's sibling (think he was English?)
4) child of Robert Ryan's sibling

... but of course it's not that simple...

Do you have date of birth for the child? name at birth?

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