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William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« on: Wednesday 28 July 21 08:10 BST (UK) »
What happened to my great grandfather - I would love some help!
William Thomas Butterworth was born in Blackburn, Lancashire, on 23 February 1870. He had a son, John, with 1st wife Catherine Snape then 3 more children with my great grandmother Sarah Yates, in 1900, 1902 and 1904 (by then based in Chatham, Kent). He disappeared (the story my aunt was brought up with was that he 'died in a brawl'. However, DNA matches have recently thrown up another son he had, Roy Payne, by Gertrude E Woollett, which was registered in Lambeth in 1913.
Any ideas how I can trace what happened to him? It would be amazing to find out (I've been trying on and off for a few years). Thank you!

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 28 July 21 08:41 BST (UK) »
Roy (Golding) Payne if he is your man has father Herbert J Payne and  mother as stated on a family tree posted

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 28 July 21 09:30 BST (UK) »
I presume Sarah Ellen said she was a widow when she remarried?  (Assuming I have that correctly? to George Thomas WAGHORN in 1906?)

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 28 July 21 09:33 BST (UK) »
Herbert isn't the one I'm looking for. Roy's father on his birth certificate may have been Herbert J Payne, but DNA matches have shown that Roy was actually the son of William Thomas Butterworth, my great grandfather, ie via an extra marital affair. This has only just come to light. My great grandmother was married to William, she took the name Butterworth and my grandmother was born Anne Butterworth. But after William disappeared, she married George Thomas Waghorn in 1906 (I'm not sure if she said she was a widow but I guess so). And I haven't been able to find anything about what happened to William after 1913 when Roy was born. But I guess he was living in the London area at that time.
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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 28 July 21 09:34 BST (UK) »
yes sorry, my great grandmother was Sarah Ellen Yates.

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 28 July 21 10:12 BST (UK) »
I was trying to establish through electoral registers if Mr Butterworth might have been a lodger or a neighbour, no luck so far

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 28 July 21 10:22 BST (UK) »
Good thinking! It would be so amazing to find something.

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 28 July 21 10:54 BST (UK) »
Mrs Butterworth must have either known he had died or assumed, her marriage cert might be a good idea

LM

Second thinking if he became a father in 1913 he wasn't dead was he?

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 28 July 21 13:15 BST (UK) »
Just to add to the confusion:

11 jan 1892 William Thomas Butterworth 21 father Richard married Catherine A Snape 25 father not given, witnesses Richard Butterworth and Hannah Bolton at the Parish Church of Bolton.

1901 Caroline married was living with her mother and son John aged 8
1911 Caroline widow was living alone with son John now 18

in 1911 Caroline was still alive so he was in no position to 'marry' anyone else
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