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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #27 on: Friday 30 July 21 10:48 BST (UK) »
I'm pretty sure he had a child in 1913 though, in London.

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #28 on: Friday 30 July 21 11:31 BST (UK) »
It  really is  strange , possible  bigamous marriage?, i  had  one in my family in the 1870's

Some   people never  want to  be found, hanging  my  hopes on 1921 census for  a  few  of  mine

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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #29 on: Friday 30 July 21 11:44 BST (UK) »
Yes I'm thinking he may show up in 1921 - either that or through the DNA of more children he may have had!

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #30 on: Friday 30 July 21 11:59 BST (UK) »
Good  you  are  positive  not    long  for  1921,

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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London


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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #31 on: Friday 30 July 21 12:00 BST (UK) »
IF Iím looking at the right people here, it seems that Gertrude and Roy Payne must have stayed with Herbert for a while.  Roy and Herbert are together in 1939, while Gertrude is with someone she later marries.

Gertrude E. Payne mar Frederick A.C. Perry - Lambeth 1952 Just added

Gertrude E. Perry b.1881  dd.1966  Lambeth

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #32 on: Friday 30 July 21 12:34 BST (UK) »
Confusing times! So Roy stayed with Herbert after Gertrude left, not knowing that Herbert wasn't actually his father!

It all seemed to happen in Lambeth though, which is not far away from where I am now. Makes it even more fascinating - William Thomas Butterworth so near yet so far... but also frustrating!!


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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #33 on: Friday 30 July 21 13:02 BST (UK) »
Walter
Birth and death registered around the time of Sarah's marriage to Mr. Waghorn.
Death
Dec 1905 Medway 2a 394
Butterworth, Walter
age 0

Birth
BUTTERWORTH, WALTER       
Mother's Maiden Surname: YATES 
GRO Reference: 1906  M Quarter in MEDWAY  Volume 02A  Page 732  Occasional Copy: A

But original GRO birth index has Walter indexed twice
March 1906 Medway 2a 732a
Butterworth, Walter
Waghorn, Walter

As well as the 4 year old daughter with George and Sarah in 1911, there was another likely one, Georgina Edna Waghorn, mother Yates, who was born in 1909, and died same year. Which would make their children's totals in the census correct.

So who was the father of Walter?

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #34 on: Friday 30 July 21 13:25 BST (UK) »
Ah, he was originally on page 732 as Buttersworth
March 1906 Medway 2a 732
Buttersworth, Walter       

Perhaps no father was named? :-\

Walter is not in any ancestry trees.

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Re: William Thomas Butterworth last record Lambeth 1913
« Reply #35 on: Friday 30 July 21 14:02 BST (UK) »
Have you followed up on any baptisms?

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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London