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Help identifying unexpected person attached to my tree
« on: Thursday 29 July 21 18:35 BST (UK) »
Hello

Hopefully someone can point me in the correct direction for identifying someone.

I am currently tracing the Pitches family for a line of the family who lived in Hawstead. As I have done so I have found a link to a person I cannot at the moment correctly identify.

I only have limited information and an not sure where to start to identify him correctly.

To explain

In my tree is Henrietta Maria Pitches who was christened in 1715 in Bildsdon. Her parents being
Re. Richard Pytches and
Henrietta Maria Capel

When I have looked at Henrietta Maria she would appear to have married a male called Robert Nelson in 1738 in London.

To support this in the UK/US directory it has this.
Wife of: Nelson, Robert; Occupation: an eminent jeweller; Married: 8Th. August, 1738; Dowry: 3,000 pounds; Other Relation: Bishop of Ely; Relationship: Niece to

Henrietta is the niece of Rev Robert Butts who was the bishop of Ely at the same time. So the marriage is correct.

The trouble is I cannot work out the other details about Robert Nelson. I may have missed something obvious. However it is perplexing at the moment.

Can anyone help??

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Re: Help identifying unexpected person attached to my tree
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 July 21 19:50 BST (UK) »
Hi BobWatsit,

This may not help to locate where Robert Nelson went, but there is a notice in the London Gazette https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/8726/page/4 dated 8th March 1747 that offers a reward for any information regarding Robert Nelson who was declared bankrupt and then "fled beyond sea".  The notice confirms that Robert Nelson was a jeweller in London.

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Re: Help identifying unexpected person attached to my tree
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 29 July 21 19:53 BST (UK) »
An earlier bankruptcy notice for Robert Nelson (9th Jan 1738) https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/7770/page/2 gives his address as Winchester Street, London.

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Re: Help identifying unexpected person attached to my tree
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 29 July 21 20:04 BST (UK) »
On 10th December 1735, Robert Nelson was a witness in a case heard at the Old Bailey.  He gives his address as Bow Lane.

Old Bailey Proceedings Online (www.oldbaileyonline.org, version 8.0, 29 July 2021), December 1735, trial of Elizabeth Barker (t17351210-55).


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Re: Help identifying unexpected person attached to my tree
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 29 July 21 21:22 BST (UK) »
At marriage at St Benet, Paulís wharf, Robert is of All Hallows on ye Wall
Side tracked to a friendís very interesting Norfolk families. MORGAN, PRATT, HORNOR, SUCKLING, GLEANE etc. And in London DOWNES, du CROZ, MORGAN (same MORGANs as the Norwich lot)

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Re: Help identifying unexpected person attached to my tree
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 29 July 21 21:28 BST (UK) »
Robert Nelson appears as a Master for an apprentice.  On the paperwork for the apprenticeship, he gives his profession as Goldsmith which I think is one of the trades that still has a guild attached.  Perhaps the Guild of Goldsmiths will have some info in any archives that they may hold? https://www.thegoldsmiths.co.uk/craft/library-research/

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Re: Help identifying unexpected person attached to my tree
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 29 July 21 21:41 BST (UK) »
The Gentlemanís magazine entry is here

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hw293u&view=1up&seq=439&skin=2021

But gives no more information.
Side tracked to a friendís very interesting Norfolk families. MORGAN, PRATT, HORNOR, SUCKLING, GLEANE etc. And in London DOWNES, du CROZ, MORGAN (same MORGANs as the Norwich lot)

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Re: Help identifying unexpected person attached to my tree
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 29 July 21 21:55 BST (UK) »
Henrietta Maria Capel - parents and grandparents - her Grandad Gamaliel Capel was one of 20 children

https://gw.geneanet.org/rwmoore?lang=en&pz=reagan+wentworth&nz=moore&p=henrietta+maria&n=capel
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......†† sacht,helgoland† .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..† jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Help identifying unexpected person attached to my tree
« Reply #8 on: Friday 30 July 21 01:04 BST (UK) »
I'm not surprised he decamped - the debtors prison wasn't a  pleasant place as described in the London Gazette, which lists debtors.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/content/100938
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke