Elizabeth Horgan

[CaroleW]

You were given her birth details & parents marriage details in July - see reply 3

[Horgan]

You were given her birth details & parents marriage details in July - see reply 3

CarolW please stop commenting on my comments please

[heywood]

As you say, there is some conflicting information in some trees but John did marry again.

In 1881 we know that John is a widower with several children including Florence, a son, aged 6 yrs.

1891 4451/99/53.  As Morgan).

Ynysawdre, Glamorgan

John and Joana with previous Horgan children and younger ones with mother’s name Shea.

Marriage 1883 Pembroke
John Horgan and Johanna O’Shea are spouses  on the same page.

A puzzle - in 1901 and 1911 censuses, there seems to be a son Frederick b 1894/5 and daughter Lucy b 1897/I. I can’t find birth registrations for them.

Where do you have James as his father?
I don’t see any marriage certificates posted in the trees but these would show you his fathers name.

There is a death for James Horgan, 1865, Pembroke.

[heywood]

There is that burial  for James Horgan in 1866. His address, ‘Quay’.

I wonder ….

1861 4155 /16/26. (Transcribed as Oregan on Anc.)
Quay, Pembroke

Catharine Origan head married 50 yrs Hawker b Ireland
John -do- brother 23 yrs Hawker b Ireland
Cornelius -do- son 10 yrs b Ireland
Ellen Collins lodger
Mary Collins lodger

Odd re brother 

Welsh newspapers online  26th June 1863 - Pembrokeshire Herald and General Advertiser
Cornelius Horgan about fifteen years, son of an Irish Marine Store Keeper,  charged with stealing.
James Horgan, father , charged with being an accessory but case dismissed against him.
Case withdrawn against Cornelius (and a female charged with him).

An earlier report, 1861, mentions a boy named Horgan, about thirteen years nearly drowned whilst playing on the Quay and was rescued.

16th October 1868
John Horgan, Ellen Hughes and Catherine Horgan (the two former being the son and daughter of the last named) marine store dealers, were charged with releasing a pony which had been impounded. They were dismissed.

So, maybe this is your John and he might be the son of Catherine and James, although he is down as brother in 1861.

1871 5514 /41/10

Cath Hoggan 66 yrs is a lodger.
Her address is East End which is where John and Mary lived.

I can’t see a death record for Catherine Horgan.

[Horgan]

There is that burial  for James Horgan in 1866. His address, ‘Quay’.

I wonder ….

1861 4155 /16/26. (Transcribed as Oregan on Anc.)
Quay, Pembroke

Catharine Origan head married 50 yrs Hawker b Ireland
John -do- brother 23 yrs Hawker b Ireland
Thank you haywood think I have the same info about my Horgan ancestry I can't find any thing further back from my ggg grandfather James Horgan think he came to Tenby wales after the death of his wife Catherine with his children I was told years ago James Horgan came from Clonakilty Ireland but I have not been abell to find his history in Ireland so I'm stumpt concerning my Horgan tree thank you for your help.
Cornelius -do- son 10 yrs b Ireland
Ellen Collins lodger
Mary Collins lodger

Odd re brother 

Welsh newspapers online  26th June 1863 - Pembrokeshire Herald and General Advertiser
Cornelius Horgan about fifteen years, son of an Irish Marine Store Keeper,  charged with stealing.
James Horgan, father , charged with being an accessory but case dismissed against him.
Case withdrawn against Cornelius (and a female charged with him).

An earlier report, 1861, mentions a boy named Horgan, about thirteen years nearly drowned whilst playing on the Quay and was rescued.

16th October 1868
John Horgan, Ellen Hughes and Catherine Horgan (the two former being the son and daughter of the last named) marine store dealers, were charged with releasing a pony which had been impounded. They were dismissed.

So, maybe this is your John and he might be the son of Catherine and James, although he is down as brother in 1861.

1871 5514 /41/10

Cath Hoggan 66 yrs is a lodger.
Her address is East End which is where John and Mary lived.

I can’t see a death record for Catherine Horgan.

[Horgan]

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2 deaths in Glamorgan in 1955 for Elizabeth Ball - - which one is yours?  Was she the one b 1872?

Hi thank you for your help my Elizabeth was born in 1872 and died in 1955 she lived in no 10 Ogmore terrace Nantymoel Glamorgan Wales

[Horgan]

Her married name was Ball and she died 1955 I have recently found my info for her but I'm having trouble finding her parents John Horgan died 1922 and her mum Mary Horgan born richards died 1878