Patrick Doyle died 1853?

[stewpot72]

I'm slightly confused by the various comments. The family are definitely in Upper Wolfe street in 1851 between numbers 189 and 187. Then in 1861, his wife Bridget is still there (Woolf street, Toxteth Park) but is now widowed. This time they are between numbers 138 and 140 in a Provision Shop.
So I'm calculating that Patrick, born abt. 1821, died around the age of 30.
He was a Shipsmith in 1851 but the death certificate in 1853 for the Patrick I have found says this Patrick is a Labourer. So, the only thing that really matches is his age.
If I can ascertain a link between where he lived (Upper Wolfe street) and where he died (Bond street courts) that would add to the evidence. A bit tenuous but its all I have to go on :-(

[heywood]

Sorry to confuse. I couldn’t find them initially because I was searching using Liverpool as a reference when it should have been Toxteth Park.
We all, I think agree with the censuses.

There are children born after your death presumption.

There are 2 burial records for the same man, Patrick Doyle, 39 yrs, 22 Court, Bond Street. Burial 4th December 1853. They are handwritten and from St Anthony’s parish records.
Is that the same man you have a certificate for?

He might have died at sea if his job entailed sailing.

[MonicaL]

Hi stewpot72

There were children born to Patrick and Bridget after 1853 so this death cannot be his.

Daughter Catherine's baptism in 1855 shows:

Baptism: 7 Jan 1855 St Patrick, Toxteth, Lancashire, England
Catharine Doyle - [Child] of Pat. Doyle & Bridget (formerly Fox)
    Born: 2 Jan 1855
    Godparents: Richard Durnin; Mary Dun
    Parents' Marital Status: Conj.
    Baptised by: E. Kenrick
    Register: Baptisms 1853 - 1855, Page 394, Entry 2
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

From above: Parents' Marital Status: Conj. - Conjugate,
does this mean that parents were not married but lived together as man and wife?

Kloumann mentioned earlier that son James Patrick was born in 1859. So from his conception to the date of the 1861 census looks to be your window for Patrick's death I would suggest.

Added: James Patrick was born on 23 Nov 1859 and baptised at St Patrick's on the 27th of that month. Parents Patrick Doyle and Bridget Fox.

Monica

[heywood]

It means they were married.

[MonicaL]

Thank you, heywood 

Monica

[stewpot72]

Thank you for all your comments. If only I had my brain in gear regarding when his children were born I would have worked out that he must have died around 1859.
Heywood mentioned that he may have died at sea. I found a Patrick Doyle who was drowned when the Royal Charter, a Liverpool vessel, was sunk in a storm off the Anglesey coast in October 1859. I will do a bit more digging to see what I can verify and post my findings. Many thanks again.

[Kloumann]

Anyone with a subscription to Findmypast can view the Register of Wages & Effects for Patrick Doyle

[heywood]

Is it the right one, Kloumann?

[heywood]

There are several articles on here about the incident
https://newspapers.library.wales/