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Is Louis Roger really Eugene Gonat
« on: Monday 02 August 21 15:56 BST (UK) »
In 1881 Wrexham ,  Wales there is Louis Roger b 1852 Paris ,  France. He is a currier. Unmarried.
In September 1882 he marries Mary Elizabeth Nadin in Chester.
 There is no image but his father is Casmia Roger. 1891 and he is still Louis Roger.

Louis Roger died in 1894 and made a will. His address is the same as 1891
Name:    Louis Roger Death Date: 5 Aug 1894
Death Place:    Denbighshire, Wales Probate Date:    19 Sep 1894
There is no entry in the deaths index but there is this.
Eugene Gonat Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep. Wrexham, Denbighshire,

He is buried in Wrexham Cemetery as Louis Roger.
One of his children is registered as
Name:    George Gun?T Roger
[George GUNAT Roger]
Registration Year: 1886 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun   Wrexham

So now there is a mystery, is this the same man which is on Ancestry as a possible connection.
 Marriage in France
Name:    Eugène Gonat
Marriage Bann Date:    17 janv. 1875 (17 Jan 1875)
Father's Name:    François Cléophas Casimir Gonat
Mother's Name:    Françoise Virginie Guillien
Spouse's Name:    Eugène Jeanne Araïs héna Guerbet

Is there anything on this image that gives an occupation. I can`t understand.
Name:    Eugène Gonat Gender:    homme (Male) Marriage Age:    24
Record Type:    Mariage (Marriage) Birth Date:    13 sept. 1850 (13 Sep 1850)
Birth Place:    Clamery (Nièvre)
Marriage Date:    2 févr. 1875 (2 Feb 1875) Marriage Place:    France
Father:    François Cleophas Casimir Gonat
Mother: Françoise Virginie Guillieu
Spouse: Eugénie Jeanne Anaïs Henri Guerbet
Father:    Jean Alexandre Guerbet
Mother: Reine Marie Mathilde

So if this is the same man, what happened to his wife ,  and why did he leave France within 6 years of his marriage.
Any help will be much appreciated .

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Re: Is Louis Roger really Eugene Gonat
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 August 21 16:09 BST (UK) »
Marriage image is on F M P.

Louis is age 31 occ Leather Dresser abode Castle street, father Casmia is a Currier
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Re: Is Louis Roger really Eugene Gonat
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 August 21 16:20 BST (UK) »
That death does look likely, you may have to purchase the certificate to see if it ties in.
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Re: Is Louis Roger really Eugene Gonat
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 August 21 17:36 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Ive posted this to the Europe forum, some one might have access to records.
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Re: Is Louis Roger really Eugene Gonat
« Reply #5 on: Monday 02 August 21 20:12 BST (UK) »
Welsh newspapers
DEATHS -
Roger - Mar 5th, at 6 Roderic Terrace, Eugene Leon, eldest son of the late Louis Roger.

Birth Registration (FindMyPast)
Eugene Leon Roger, Dec Qtr 1884, Wrexham, 11b 266 -  no mother's maiden name.

Note - haven't checked GRO if they include mother's maiden name.
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Re: Is Louis Roger really Eugene Gonat
« Reply #6 on: Monday 02 August 21 20:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks,  I have Louis from 1881  till  his death,  and all his childrens baptisms.
It's really more about his life in France I'm interested in.
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Re: Is Louis Roger really Eugene Gonat
« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 August 21 23:16 BST (UK) »
The French marriage record gives Eugène's occupation as "tanneur" (leather dresser) and Eugénie's as "institutrice" (primary school teacher). However, the entry is crossed through, so maybe it never took place - ???
ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: Is Louis Roger really Eugene Gonat
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 August 21 03:09 BST (UK) »
Searching on North Wales BMD brings up death entries under both names, with the same reference.  There are usually 5 entries per reference, but in this instance there are six, suggesting that you are correct and that Louis & Eugene are the same man:

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MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. North Yorkshire.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.