Help, I have conflicting info on Great grandfather

[jonwarrn]

Yes, sorry GG, I just corrected myself.
I put the wrong census year, it should have been 1891
Never trust anything I write for five minutes till I have weeded out the mistakes!

[Girl Guide]

Never mind Jon, it happens 

I think we need to wait for Danison to tell us what her grandmother's name was and what the mother's maiden name was.

With that information we can see if the 1899 marriage you found is the correct one.  If it is then Danison can obtain the cert and see what it says for Francis' age and father's name.

[Millmoor]

Have you seen this entry in the Gro index?

Smith Frank July - Sept 1874 Nottingham RD mmn Gamble

Marriage of George Smith and Rose Gamble in Derby in 1851.

Gamble is also the mother's maiden name of the other children showing in the 1891 census posted by Jon. (and also the mmn of children of George and Rose showing in earlier censuses).

William

[Danison]

Hi all,
Wow, thanks for the quick replies. I am in Australia, have been for 50 years, so find it difficult to have access to everything available.
I plan to visit as soon as co-vid subsides and international travel is allowed.
I do have some of the info you all have found. I will tell you exactly what I have.

He married Aurelia Mary Richards in Mansfield Notts. D Quarter 1899 7b pg162

On my grandmothers birth certificate 1907, it states they live in Sutton in Ashfield and he was a Bore Works Labourer, or Bone Works, but I think it is bore.

New Soldier Record states the name Frank Smith born in Notts. Age 33yrs & 3mths. Not sure of the year as I cannot see that part of the date he signed. Ancestry has 1914 as the year. It has Aurelia as his wife and the names of his 5 daughters, living in New Lenton Notts.

1901 Census Frank Smith is 27yrs, Estimated Birth Year: 1874, Spouse Amelia Smith (Ancestry entry typo) Aurelia on the written entry, Skegby, Mansfield, Nottingham, Occupation: Coal Oven Labourer, Born: Nottingham.

1911 Census Frank Smith is 36yrs, Occupation: Miner below ground, Collery, Birthplace: Nottingham.

1939 English Register has Frank Smith, male, birth 6.6.74, old age pensioner. Living in Nottingham.

That is all I have, as I am trying to now go backwards for his birth and parents details.
Thanks for all your help, Cheers

[Girl Guide]

So I assume your grandmother was Ivy?

SMITH, IVY  AURELIA     RICHARDS 
GRO Reference: 1907  J Quarter in MANSFIELD  Volume 07B  Page 120

You really need to order the 1899 marriage certificate as that will give you his father's name and occupation.  It should also give his age but sometimes this is not always accurate.

You can order it from the GRO website.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

You will need to register before you can order.  Please note that it will be a certificate as there are no pdfs for marriages.

You may already know the GRO website if you have your grandmother's birth certificate.
 

[Danison]

There is a Frank Smith, 16, born Nottingham, Coal Miner, in Sutton in Ashfield in 1891
Parents George and Rose
Frank Henry's first daughter was Rose Mary.

Yes jonw65 he does have a first daughter Rose Mary born in 1900, where did you find this info?

[Comberton]

The marriage of Francis Henry Smith and Aurelia Mary Richards took place on 18th November 1899 at St Mary Magdalene, Sutton in Ashfield. No other details.
In case George and Rose are the correct parents, their marriage took place at Derby Register Office. Frank Smith , son of George and Rosa, baptised 28th April 1875, Nottingham St John with siblings Eliza Jane, Harriet, Harry and Kate. Residence Island Street.

[Danison]

Thanks Girl Guide,
Yes my grandmother is Ivy Aurelia!
I will order the marriage certificate, as that seems to be the next step.
I have many pdf birth and death certificates of other ancestors, but I find waiting for the marriage certificates coming in the post is a bit difficult, as it takes so long! I want them instantly 
You are all very knowledgeable, I am impressed!

I have a missing grandfather on the other side of the family. Should I make a new post for him?
He seems to have gone missing at sea, and I cannot find much info for him after his marriage.
Many thanks,

[Girl Guide]

Yes if his surname is different it would be best otherwise it may get confusing separating the relevant information from each family.