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Help, I have conflicting info on Great grandfather
« on: Tuesday 03 August 21 05:26 BST (UK) »
I am tracing my grandmothers family and have come across 2 possible men who could be my great grandfather.
Question I am asking is: Is he Francis Henry Smith born in Nottingham in 1876, or Francis Henry Smith born in 1874 in Edmonton????

On my grandmothers birth certificate fathers name is Francis Henry Smith.
On confirmed documents I have (census), he states 'where born' Nottingham, listed as Frank Smith.
On the 1939 England Register he states birth as '6 June 1874'.
In the GRO register the only Francis Henry Smith born in Nottingham is born in 1876, M Quarter.
Another search for 1874 in GRO states one born in Edmonton, J Quarter.
He was married in Mansfield Nottingham.
On his Soldier's Record he states 'born in' Nottingham as well.
Any help to solve this mystery would be gratefully received.
Do not hesitate to request more information from me if required.
Kind Regards, Danié

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Re: Help, I have conflicting info on Great grandfather
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 03 August 21 09:57 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat  :D

First off, when and where was your grandmother born and what was her name?  What occupation is given for Francis on her birth certificate?

Have you found the family on an census records to see what occupation is given for Francis?

Have you found a record of Francis' marriage?

If you can provide some or all of the above information it may help to pin down the correct Francis.

Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Help, I have conflicting info on Great grandfather
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 03 August 21 09:57 BST (UK) »
What information does his marriage certificate give in respect of his father
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Re: Help, I have conflicting info on Great grandfather
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 August 21 10:06 BST (UK) »
Have you found the family on an census records to see what occupation is given for Francis?

Here is Frank Smith in 1901, married to Aurelia
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSNW-MQM

Free index to 1911, Frank is 36, born Nottingham
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWS9-4VB


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Re: Help, I have conflicting info on Great grandfather
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 03 August 21 10:07 BST (UK) »
Poss marriage
Dec 1899 Mansfield 7b 162
Richards, Aurelia Mary
Smith, Francis Henry

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Re: Help, I have conflicting info on Great grandfather
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 August 21 10:12 BST (UK) »
If Danison gives us the full information from her grandmother's birth certificate it will tell us if the marriage you have found is correct Jon.

Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Help, I have conflicting info on Great grandfather
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 August 21 10:19 BST (UK) »
So that we have them on here - June quarter births for Francis

SMITH, FRANCIS  HENRY     NICHOLS 
GRO Reference: 1874  J Quarter in EDMONTON  Volume 03A  Page 194

The only one that came up and nothing for September quarter.

1876 June quarter produces this

SMITH, FRANCIS  HENRY     DEEMING 
GRO Reference: 1876  J Quarter in WARWICK  Volume 06D  Page 605
 
1876 September quarter produces these

SMITH, FRANCIS  HENRY     ARTHINGTON 
GRO Reference: 1876  S Quarter in MALTON UNION  Volume 09D  Page 391

SMITH, FRANCIS  HENRY     HALE 
GRO Reference: 1876  S Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 137

SMITH, FRANCIS  HENRY     WHITE 
GRO Reference: 1876  S Quarter in AXMINSTER  Volume 05B  Page 15



Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Help, I have conflicting info on Great grandfather
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 03 August 21 10:25 BST (UK) »
There is a Frank Smith, 16, born Nottingham, Coal Miner, in Sutton in Ashfield in 1891
Parents George and Rose
Frank Henry's first daughter was Rose Mary.

1891, not 1881. I got it wrong again!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4HVF-LN2

George and Rose previous page
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4HV6-6W2

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Re: Help, I have conflicting info on Great grandfather
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 August 21 10:29 BST (UK) »
If that Frank was 16 in 1881 that gives a birth year of 1865 +/-

Danison is giving us a birth date of 6.6.1874 for Francis
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire