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Re: Ancestry family trees full of lazy errors
« Reply #99 on: Sunday 05 January 25 14:28 GMT (UK) »
This poor woman had apparently given birth to over 20 children over a period of 100 years, the first birth being 50 years before she herself was born !!!

That's some feat

I can't understand the point of these people adding names for the sake of it without doing some checks to at least try to verify information
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Re: Ancestry family trees full of lazy errors
« Reply #100 on: Sunday 05 January 25 15:17 GMT (UK) »
I even had one who said their professional researcher confirmed it is the same guy, when I have found my own evidence to strongly refute it, and it is another guy with the same name, living 30 miles away.

Early on a cousin paid a professional researcher.  He shared it with me.  It took me a while but I eventually disproved that research, with help of Rootschatters and DNA.

I think we all can make a mistake, even professional researchers. There is the saying of "those who never made a mistake never made anything".

Someone had done some genealogy on the infamous gangsters, the Kray Twins and found they also descend from the same Auber/Obey line as me in Shoreditch and Whitechapel in the mid 1700s. I proof read it for myself and all seems good, seems I am their cousin about 9 times removed, providing there is no hidden NPE somewhere. Some say the twins were not as bad as claimed, and others say they were the scum of the earth.
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Ancestry family trees full of lazy errors
« Reply #101 on: Sunday 05 January 25 17:58 GMT (UK) »
"One of his descendants (a current researcher) has posted a copy of his “obituary”, which is completely fictitious"

The life story told in his obituary might be fiction, but it is a fact that it was published.  It was an obituary, not an "obituary."  That tells you a lot about how he (or the family member who supplied the information) wished to portray his life and perhaps how he was perceived in his community.  The lies and exaggerations people told are part of the story.

Problem is that the detailed facts contained in the obituary must have been supplied by the man himself prior to his demise. The researcher, I referred to, has based their research entirely on the obituary, accepting it as “fact”, whereas most, if not all of it, turns out to be fiction.

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Re: Ancestry family trees full of lazy errors
« Reply #102 on: Sunday 05 January 25 18:36 GMT (UK) »
John Hurt's ancestor was featured on WDYTYA and his ancestor Walter Lord Brown was mentioned in an obituary I think where the obituary mentioned a rumour that he or his wife was a descendant of the Marquis of Sligo, and that his dad was a manager of the Bond Office in London. Turned out he was a mere clerk at the company and the Brown family had no link whatsoever to the Marquis of Sligo, nor did Emma Stafford. And that Walter Browne's main claim to fame was owning a few houses in Grimsby which he gave Irish names, and that he was a mere storyteller who created a false background for himself. The researchers found no Irish blood in John's family that they could prove, and John was a bit peeved that he had no Irish blood and no royal blood.

I did a bit of follow up research and found a Campbell ancestor in London in John's tree in the mid 1700s, no doubt the WDYTYA researchers may have also found this but could not trace back to any Irish or Scottish link. Campbell being Scottish and Irish as a surname.

Same as rumours that the Kray twins were of Romany and Jewish blood, when there is no known whatsoever found in their tree by genealogists, however there is likely some distant Irish blood, on top of the verified Huguenot blood. One of their London ancestors was Mary Kelly born about 1765 in London.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain


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Re: Ancestry family trees full of lazy errors
« Reply #103 on: Sunday 05 January 25 23:28 GMT (UK) »
I think some errors are almost inevitable and I admit to having a few where the baptism appears to be before the birth. [/quote

 I also have a few cases on my tree where the baptism is before the birth, the official birth date being to avoid a "fine"/ fee for late registration. I always make a note of this on the person's profile.

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Re: Ancestry family trees full of lazy errors
« Reply #104 on: Monday 06 January 25 01:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi ,  I recently had to delete a whole line of my family tree as the older family research had mistaken the Township from whence the line came.  I have kept this as i believe there may be another connection.  Rootschat was able to help here. 
I have not bothered to try correcting others. it's a waste of time and effort mostly.  Before Christmas 2024 i had two DNA matches appear in my list  one had only some information that was reasonably accurate the other had one family set completely incorrect  Help here on this forum again proved the in-accuracy I could glaringly see.  ...an Irish family from Scotland mistaken for a family in Ireland  originating in Dorset England.  All based on one person's name.But the annoying part is that I was sent photos of the descendants all correct on the partner's side but i have had no response since informing them of the issue. 

So what's the point..... they wanted to know but decided knowing was a bitter pill.      I just do not understand..

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Re: Ancestry family trees full of lazy errors
« Reply #105 on: Monday 06 January 25 12:06 GMT (UK) »
I never bother telling others about errors in their trees anymore, if they added wrong info that is "their tickle", as Harry Grout once said to Fletch in Porridge. I have told a few people in the past and got met with silence, or a dismissive reply.

The late Guy Etchells said his family tree is always open for review, and I would agree with him.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Ancestry family trees full of lazy errors
« Reply #106 on: Monday 06 January 25 12:35 GMT (UK) »

I think we all can make a mistake, even professional researchers. There is the saying of "those who never made a mistake never made anything".


Yes, I dropped a clanger here, regarding comment 2a in the diagram first post.

THREAD:
I'd Be Most Interested in Family Historian Comments re Tree Diagram?

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804155.0

Mary Ann Stephenson 2a in the diagram is only linked by association to my family (but not related).

Discussed here:- Reply # 46
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.msg6515848#msg6515848

The diagram is correct, but my comment 2a seems to be the wrong Mary Ann Stephenson.

Even though my George Hood of Selby (died 1845), purchased his Malt Kiln from John Clarkson of Eastrington.
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However, we are related by numerous marriages coming forward and going backward down this Grubb line to Mary Ann Stephenson, born Routh, Yorkshire, who married Robert Railton Grubb in 1854 at Lund, according to Births Marriages & Deaths documents and Census, backed up by newspaper notices.

A Separate Point
My Grubb don't seem to be related at all to the HOOD of Knottingley, Yorks, who married a GRUBB. Those GRUBB don't link to my HOOD of Selby and their GRUBB link.

Assumptions are quite Dangerous!

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Re: Ancestry family trees full of lazy errors
« Reply #107 on: Monday 06 January 25 19:07 GMT (UK) »

I think we all can make a mistake, even professional researchers. There is the saying of "those who never made a mistake never made anything".


Yes, I dropped a clanger here, regarding comment 2a in the diagram first post.

THREAD:
I'd Be Most Interested in Family Historian Comments re Tree Diagram?

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804155.0

Mary Ann Stephenson 2a in the diagram is only linked by association to my family (but not related).

Discussed here:- Reply # 46
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.msg6515848#msg6515848

The diagram is correct, but my comment 2a seems to be the wrong Mary Ann Stephenson.

Even though my George Hood of Selby (died 1845), purchased his Malt Kiln from John Clarkson of Eastrington.
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However, we are related by numerous marriages coming forward and going backward down this Grubb line to Mary Ann Stephenson, born Routh, Yorkshire, who married Robert Railton Grubb in 1854 at Lund, according to Births Marriages & Deaths documents and Census, backed up by newspaper notices.

A Separate Point
My Grubb don't seem to be related at all to the HOOD of Knottingley, Yorks, who married a GRUBB. Those GRUBB don't link to my HOOD of Selby and their GRUBB link.

Assumptions are quite Dangerous!

Mark

Often with a long standing brickwall, you hold on to any hope you can find. Any slightest connection to a family of the same name, or hoping a mere friend of your ancestor or owner of their property was an uncle or married to a relative. As we know genealogy usually gets harder the further back you go. I think most gateway ancestors are rare and can be hard to find or were in the 1500s or 1600s.

With your long standing brickwall of George Hood, well you say he died in 1845, so 6 years before the 1851 census which would have given his parish of birth at least hopefully if he had lived to then. I wonder if Ancestry DNA testing may lead you to further clues as to any parents or siblings of George Hood. 
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain