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Re: John Hogg and Susie Backman - New York 1884
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 15 August 21 22:43 BST (UK) »
For info.

One of Henry & Susanís children give her middle name as Jane

Lillian Stout
Birth Date:   7 Aug 1892 Manhattan, New York City
Residence Address:   2d-Avenue 614
Certificate Number:   30327
Father:   Henry H. Stout
Mother:   Susan Jane Stout
Mother Maiden Name:   Abram

Couldnít find details of birth for Florence Stout born Jun 1883 New York from 1900 census
but found the other children

This appears to be Henry & Susanís marriage (no details on parents names)

Henry W Stout age 23
Occupation Telegraph
Birth Place:   N Jersey
Residence Place:   N Y
Marriage 27 Sep 1885   New York
Spouse:   Susan J Blackman age 23
Birth Place L Island
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Re: John Hogg and Susie Backman - New York 1884
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 15 August 21 23:03 BST (UK) »
Thank you for all your work here, I havenít had the time yet to go through all your findings. Hopefully Iíll have some time in the next few days to put together a tree and try and make sense of everything and to see what else I can find out.

I started looking at John Hogg as Iíve ordered a dna kit, still waiting for the results, and I wanted to build out my tree to see if it could help narrow down Johnís grandfather. John has been fascinating and it will be interesting to see if I get some American hits and where that leads.

I really do appreciate all your work and Iím sorry Iíve been a little absent in this discussion board. I probably chose the wrong time to start the discussion - holidays, family time and a break from lockdown life. Thanks again.

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Re: John Hogg and Susie Backman - New York 1884
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 15 August 21 23:50 BST (UK) »
Please come back and let us know if you discover moreÖÖ.

Again for infoÖ.. might this be Susan that married Henry Stout

Susan J Abrams
Age in 1870:   8
Birth Date:   abt 1862
Birthplace:   New York
Dwelling Number:   549
Home in 1870:   North Hempstead, Queens, New York
Race:   White
Gender:   Female
Post Office:   Port Washington
Attended School:   Yes
Oliver Abrams 50
Eliza Abrams 45

might this be her brother Oliver (apologies Sandra didnít see you had already posted death)

There this death record for Oliver Abrams b1848
parents Oliver & Eliza SEERING

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W1S-Z32






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Re: John Hogg and Susie Backman - New York 1884
« Reply #30 on: Monday 16 August 21 00:51 BST (UK) »

Oliver Abrams  born 1 January 1846 - shown on those census died 724 Harding Park Manhattan - 4 November 1928
Burial - 8 November 1928 Mt Olivet Cemetery.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W1S-Z3K

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This could be a remarried Henry W Stout (undertaker)  in 1930 Bronx (Districts 251-500), Bronx, New York,

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7DT-RZG

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RZD-X1T?i=9&cc=1810731&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AX7DT-RZG

Ada B Stout died 15 September 1936 Staten Island, New York City, New York.
Husband Henry Stout - parents- father George Blanck and mother Ellen Morrow.

 

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Re: John Hogg and Susie Backman - New York 1884
« Reply #31 on: Monday 16 August 21 01:21 BST (UK) »

son Robert W Stout died 18 December 1931  Burial 18 th December Ferncliff.
Henry W Stout and Susan Jane Abrams. Married 1 July 1905 to Madeline Mathews.

marriage - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F6H8-QN6?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=94HT-MXH

death - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WK9-RBG

A few infant deaths......  :'(

Lloyd Roswell Stout - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WWX-B2C

Gladys Stout - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WX2-9N6

Samuel Addison Stout - twin -- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W6N-P2Q

Ida Olive Stout - twin - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W6N-DSR



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Re: John Hogg and Susie Backman - New York 1884
« Reply #32 on: Friday 27 August 21 11:16 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone. I wanted to thank you all again for your input and contributions, really wonderful.

I am still finding the American records tricky to navigate. The American census entries are great, so much more information recorded.

My DNA results came through and they do seem to confirm that I am related to the John Hogg who was in Newcastle before running off to New York. The marriage entry for John Hogg and Susie Bachmann really makes me think it is the same John Hogg.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24SH-SJG


I have been going over again all your contributions and putting all the pieces together. I am confused here by the birth dates of Florence and Alberta.

Susan Abrams and Albert Bachman had at least 3 daughters. Susie Matilda b 24 Jul 1880, Alberta b about 1881, and Florence, b about 1883.


Death of daughter Florence (married Henry Ziegler 27 October 1902) gives birth date of 14 June 1883, she died 30 July 1921. No children.


Alberta Bachman Carstens
Birth    18 Mar 1883 New York City, New York
Father:   Albert G Bachman Mother:   Susan J Abrams
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007

The second two entries have Florence being born on the 14th June 1883 and Alberta on the 18th of March 1883. Clearly these records are conflicting or suggest a mix up. Am I mistaken, did I miss a connection? You guys were so fast for me I had a little trouble following along, still making sense of it all.  :)

I am currently going through my DNA matches, I do have quite a lot of hits in America and Iím trying to connect some dots.

Thanks again.