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Re: Greenal or Greenall - a place in Lancashire
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 19 August 21 13:49 BST (UK) »
Halgh meaning & origin. According to this, Old English was halh.
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/greenhalgh/259/

Greenhalgh Web
https://greenhalgh-web.co.uk/Origins%20and%20meaning.htm
This family seems to be from Garstang. They pronounce their name Green-hal-j.

The "gh" word-ending was mentioned in a programme about the development of English in "Word of Mouth" series, BBC Radio 4. Apparently English people have got out of the habit of making the sound over the past few hundred years. It was similar to the Scottish "ch" sound in words like "ach" and "loch".
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Re: Greenal or Greenall - a place in Lancashire
« Reply #10 on: Monday 23 August 21 11:18 BST (UK) »
The "gh" word-ending was mentioned in a programme about the development of English in "Word of Mouth" series, BBC Radio 4. Apparently English people have got out of the habit of making the sound over the past few hundred years. It was similar to the Scottish "ch" sound in words like "ach" and "loch".

The Scots have also forgotten how to voice the "gh". Hence "Edinburgh".  ;D

Near me is an area called "Burgh", pronounced with a VERY light "g" sound, which is strengthened when followed by a weak sound, as in "Burgh Lane".

The Greenhalgh surname I know is the same as that Garstang branch. However, further south it appears to have become Greenall. Someone of that name in Warrington became a brewer; the company now make Vladivar vodka.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Greenal or Greenall - a place in Lancashire
« Reply #11 on: Monday 23 August 21 11:25 BST (UK) »
Dunkenhalgh is usually pronounced as halsh but if you read their accounts in the Lancashire Archives you will find entries for Dunken Hall.

Thank you,  I must admit that I have not done any searching for information on the property though I have been there briefly.
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Re: Greenal or Greenall - a place in Lancashire
« Reply #12 on: Friday 12 November 21 19:26 GMT (UK) »
Thomas greenhalgh, the 13th of Brandlesome was High Sheriff of the County 1668 and 1669. Now it says "This Greenhalgh (the castle) must be distinguished from another place of the same name in the parish of Bury, which was the original residence of the Greenhalghs of Brandlesome (your village? by Bury)"prior to this another note I have says "The editor of the Tyldsley diary explains in a note that "Myerscough Hall was the seat of William Greenhalgh Esq who was sthe High Sheriff of Lancashire 1729" and in speaking of Greenhalgh-with-Thistleton the editor goes on to say" the former village gave name to the faamily of Greenhalgh of Brandlesome and the manorial rights are now vested in the representatives of the late James Greenhalgh Esq of Myerscough"

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/greenhalgh/81/

- William Greenalgh was living at Myerscough Hall and put a new roof on it. I remember researching the Greenalgh family from Bury, landowners. Coincidence family not related to Greenalgh Castle nr Garstang.

My cousin's Great Grandfather Henry Albert Edward Plant took possesion of Myerscough Hall in part payment of solicitor fees around 1936. He was married to Marion Shuttleworth a descendent of Shuttleworths of Gawethorpe Hall, Padiham.
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Re: Greenal or Greenall - a place in Lancashire
« Reply #13 on: Friday 12 November 21 20:53 GMT (UK) »
Greenhalgh Castle, built by Earl of Derby 1490 after one civil war in England and destroyed during another, 150 years later.
https://lancashirepast.com/2020/04/18/greenhalgh-castle-garstang/

Townships - Myerscough in "Victoria County History - Lancashire" "British History Online"
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol7/pp138-141

Townships - Elton in "Victoria County History - Lancashire" "British History Online"
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol5/pp133-136
Brandlesholme in Elton , Greenhalgh family retained it until beginning of 18thC. Greenhalgh men were in service of Earl of Derby, who owned large chunks of Lancashire.
Footnote 7 includes some Greenhalgh spelling variants.

List of High Sheriffs of Lancashire
https://www.geni.com/projects/High-Sheriff-of-Lancashire/691

I tend to agree with Simon that it's coincidence they were all called Greenhalgh.
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Re: Greenal or Greenall - a place in Lancashire
« Reply #14 on: Friday 12 November 21 21:00 GMT (UK) »
P.S. to my previous post. Estate of Greenhalgh of Brandlesholme included land at Preesall, near the coast on this map.
Greenhalgh  :-\
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Greenhalgh

Added. Lands at Preesall, Stalmine, Hackinsall and Stainall. Footnote 22.

Townships - Elton in "Victoria County History - Lancashire" "British History Online"
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol5/pp133-136
 

Preesall and Hackinsall
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/PreesallwithHackensall

Stalmine with Staynall
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol7/pp251-256
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