Author Topic: Francis Hardy Family from...somewhere...  (Read 702 times)

Offline smckeag

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 17
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Francis Hardy Family from...somewhere...
« on: Thursday 19 August 21 23:37 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone! I am so glad I found you and so hoping someone will be able to help me!

I started tracing my ancestry 2 years ago with the intent on finding out about my Hardy ancestry (my maiden name is Hardy). So far, I've learned a lot about everyone else who has married into the Hardy line but I am unable to go past 1780 (accurately).

My original assumption was that they were from Ireland and moved to Canada around 1830. But, it frustratingly seems, that at the same time as the Francis Hardy that I am looking for lived, THREE OTHER Francis Hardys lived in various parts of the world AT THE SAME TIME. Like, all their names are similar from their wives to their grand-children. There is a batch in Ireland, a batch in England, one in Australia and one in the US. The thing is, I can't link ANY of them to my family. I know there must be something that went wrong at some point, but all the information I have up until the Francis Hardy of 1780 is accurate in terms of physical certificates and verifiable proof.

Here is the accurate timeline as I have it right now:

Francis Hardy 1920 to 1986 - born and died in Ottawa, Ontario
He married Peggy Clare 1924 - 1970. She was born in England/Ireland and came to Canada when she was about 2 years old.

Francis's father was Henry Francis Archer Hardy - 1888 - 1956 - born and raised in Ottawa Canada.
He married Mae Adela Gavin 1890 - 1940. She was also born and raised in Ottawa.

Henry's father was Joshua Hardy - 1845 to 1905 (this has always seemed strange to me as everything I have found on all the Francis Hardy's, I have never seen Joshua as a name but Henry's birth certificate says "Joshua").
He married Charlotte Rowles from Russia. She was born in 1847 and died in 1808. She had moved to Canada as a child from Russia. Her father was English but left Russia as he was being forced into playing a spy for Britain.

Joshua's father is Francis Hardy (I call him Francis JR). I have no other information than that for his name. No middle name at all, anywhere. I have found many, many Francis Evan Hardy's on Ancestry and there is a few Evans' in the family line so, it fits. However, Joshua's brother, Robert, married an Evans and they had a child they named Francis Evans. So.....I dunno.
Francis was born in 1809 in Ireland and married Jane Armstrong (though the Armstrongs used to be a prominent family in Ireland, by the time it got to Jane, it looks like her and her family lived in workhouses so I can't trace that lineage as I thought I could) in Canada in 1836. Francis died in Canada in 1899. I have looked up passenger records to find when he arrived, but nothing comes up. However, Robert Armstrong (Jane's father) and his three brothers are recorded on one of the Peter Robinson ships in the 1820s.

Francis Jr's father was...Francis Hardy. According to some records like Census and so forth (I cannot find any birth records for any of Francis JR's siblings), it seems he was born in 1780 and his wife's name was Mary. Ancestry is insisting her name was Mary Troy but I can't find any verifiable documents to support this.

In the last two years, I have followed every line of every Francis Hardy I could think of and there is no way to link any of them to my family. I have changed his name to John, Thomas, William....none of them turn up anything.

And then, on top of that, I have THREE Marys who all married a Francis Hardy (Francis Hardy SR's father) in the SAME DECADE (1760, 1762, 1766) - all different last names. Mary Woolhouse, Mary Brunt, and Mary Gettliffe. None of them amount to anything.

I KNOW there is something wrong - somewhere along the way, there was a mistake made maybe by my data or something, because it just doesn't make sense and is increasingly infuriating! I've even tried tracing the Masseys in Virginia (since a large part of the Hardys is made up of Masseys) to see if I can find any of them who may have married a Hardy (since they all seemed to stick to the same families) but I can't find anything. Though, in my tree, I have a few Masseys with Hardy as a middle name, but can't quite figure out how to trace that to find the "original" Hardy.

If ANYONE out there can help me, I would very much appreciate it! I know I just threw out a lot of dates and names, but hopefully something in there pops out!

And PS: in case it helps any, the Virginia Masseys moved from Cheshire England in the 1600s, so it's possible that that Massey line and mind line up, but again, can't find the link. Still though, along the Virginia Massey line, I can't seem to find a Hardy.


HELP!!! ??? ???


Offline DianaCanada

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 385
    • View Profile
Re: Francis Hardy Family from...somewhere...
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 August 21 15:36 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat!
Wonder if you have checked newspapers?  I was able to find where one of my kidsí ancestors originated in Scotland as on his sonís death notice, very short otherwise, mentioned he was born in Kilmarnock.  That was the only place, in any record, that I found the reference to the town of origin. 
You might just get lucky.  Obituaries can turn up interesting and valuable info. 
You can borrow newspaper microfilm from The National Library in Ottawa.  When I lived near there I spent many happy hours trawling through the microfilm!

Offline Jebber

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,709
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Francis Hardy Family from...somewhere...
« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 August 21 15:46 BST (UK) »
Welcome from me as well.

Have you looked for Wills? They can often be very helpful in sorting out locations of families with similar names.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,† Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.


Offline smckeag

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 17
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Francis Hardy Family from...somewhere...
« Reply #3 on: Friday 20 August 21 15:55 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the replies!! I have checked all the obituaries I could find, as well as wills. Nothing.

Offline smckeag

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 17
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Francis Hardy Family from...somewhere...
« Reply #4 on: Friday 08 October 21 20:23 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat!
Wonder if you have checked newspapers?  I was able to find where one of my kidsí ancestors originated in Scotland as on his sonís death notice, very short otherwise, mentioned he was born in Kilmarnock.  That was the only place, in any record, that I found the reference to the town of origin. 
You might just get lucky.  Obituaries can turn up interesting and valuable info. 
You can borrow newspaper microfilm from The National Library in Ottawa.  When I lived near there I spent many happy hours trawling through the microfilm!

Thank you!! But I have tried this....the problem is that there are quite a few Hardys in Ireland and England...and Scotland so although I'm locating newspaper clippings, I'm unable to pinpoint anything :(

Offline Josephine

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,089
  • Photo: Beardstown, Illinois
    • View Profile
Re: Francis Hardy Family from...somewhere...
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 13:11 BST (UK) »
You have:

- Francis Hardy (Jr.) born 1809 in Ireland, m. Jane Armstrong 1836 in Canada (edited to add: died 1899 in Canada); and
- Francis Hardy (Sr.) born 1780, m. Mary.

Have you found cemetery records for them?

Have you checked with church archives in Ottawa for any possible records pertaining to the family?

Regards,
Josephine

P.S. What do the census records say about their country of origin, year of immigration and religious denomination?
England: Barnett; Beaumont; Christy; George; Holland; Parker; Pope; Salisbury
Scotland: Currie; Curror; Dobson; Muir; Oliver; Pryde; Turnbull; Wilson
Ireland: Carson; Colbert; Coy; Craig; McGlinchey; Riley; Rooney; Trotter; Waters/Watters

Offline Josephine

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,089
  • Photo: Beardstown, Illinois
    • View Profile
Re: Francis Hardy Family from...somewhere...
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 13:18 BST (UK) »
Hold the presses! Where in Ottawa did they live? There's a big article in The Ottawa Citizen, 29 August 1938, about a big Hardy family reunion in Bowesville.

"On the site now occupied by Henry Hardy's modern brick residence stood the first homestead erected in 1830 by his grandfather, Francis Hardy, who came from Templemore, Tipperary, Ireland, with his wife and son, Francis Hardy, junior."

Is this your family?

Regards,
Josephine
England: Barnett; Beaumont; Christy; George; Holland; Parker; Pope; Salisbury
Scotland: Currie; Curror; Dobson; Muir; Oliver; Pryde; Turnbull; Wilson
Ireland: Carson; Colbert; Coy; Craig; McGlinchey; Riley; Rooney; Trotter; Waters/Watters

Offline DianaCanada

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 385
    • View Profile
Re: Francis Hardy Family from...somewhere...
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 13:25 BST (UK) »
Good find, Josephine.  Bowesville was located in the area where the Ottawa airport is now found.  Still fairly rural, would have been farmland back in the day.

Offline Josephine

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,089
  • Photo: Beardstown, Illinois
    • View Profile
Re: Francis Hardy Family from...somewhere...
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 13:33 BST (UK) »
The Ottawa Evening Journal
Sept. 28, 1899

"OLD RESIDENT DEAD. -- Mr. Francis Hardy, 88 years old, of Bowesville, died yesterday. The funeral is tomorrow."

Is this your Francis Jr.?
England: Barnett; Beaumont; Christy; George; Holland; Parker; Pope; Salisbury
Scotland: Currie; Curror; Dobson; Muir; Oliver; Pryde; Turnbull; Wilson
Ireland: Carson; Colbert; Coy; Craig; McGlinchey; Riley; Rooney; Trotter; Waters/Watters