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Bridget BRENNAN marriage register 1881
« on: Sunday 22 August 21 05:15 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
I am wondering if you could help with this apparent conflict. Bridget Brennan married James Doyle in Dublin in 1881, and the attachment is from the church record. We also have the civil record but that tells us less about her parents. The church record seems to say, by column:
1. Reg. No.
2. Given names.
3. Surnames.
4. Addresses.
5. Parents' names. That much is OK.
Column 6 seems to say "Dead" for both sets of parents. Which would mean Denis and Catherine were dead by 1881.
Column 7 is a mystery but not of great concern.
Our problem is that we think we have found a civil registration of the death of Bridget's father Denis at Kilbeggan, County Westmeath, in 1887 -- six years after Bridget's marriage. Bridget and her family were from the Rochfortbridge-Mullingar area, so that fits. Also, we know from the baptism records that Bridget had a brother Denis, and on the Kilbeggan death certificate the witness is Denis Brennan, son of the deceased Denis Brennan. Bridget was 39 when she married and it's possible she had lost touch with her parents in the country. She was in domestic service and may have gone to Dublin as soon as she was old enough to work. Or the word in column 6 might be something other than "Dead". Alternatively, the Denis Brennan father and son might be another Denis Brennan father and son and not our family's.
I guess the initial thing we need to determine is whether that word in Column 6 is what we think it is. These church marriage records are probably pretty standard. Does anyone know what would normally be in that column?
Thanks for your help on this, and on other queries you have helped me with in the past.
Geoff Turner, Australia (great grandson of Bridget's sister Catherine).

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Re: Bridget BRENNAN marriage register 1881
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 22 August 21 11:52 BST (UK) »
Column 6 is definitely 'dead'.
Normally the parents' address would be there.
You can see the actual page on registers.nli.ie
Coffey, Cummins, Cummins [Skirke, Laois], Curran, Dillon [Clare], Fogarty [Garran, Laois/Tipp], Hughes, Keshan (Keeshan), Loughman [Killadooley, Laois], Mallon [Armagh], Malone, Markham [Caherkine, Clare], McKeon(e) [Sligo/Kilkenny/Waterford], McNamara, Meagher, Prescott [Kilkenny/Waterford/Wexford?], Rafferty, Ryan, Sullivan, Tobin
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Re: Bridget BRENNAN marriage register 1881
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 22 August 21 11:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks Dublin 1850. We just wanted to be sure.

Geoff


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Re: Bridget BRENNAN marriage register 1881
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Re: Bridget BRENNAN marriage register 1881
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 22 August 21 13:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks, that's worth looking at. Unfortunately it is a fairly common name, we are finding. He's a bit young to be our guy but Tyrrellspass is certainly in the right area. Also, I'm not aware of there being any John Brennans in the family (the man present at the death). But that's not a deal-breaker. Geoff

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Re: Bridget BRENNAN marriage register 1881
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 18 September 21 07:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Geoff, I just want to offer a tip. Never 100% believe what is on a birth, marriage or death cert, just use it as a guide in research. It is odd that on their church record it has the parents as deceased and yet on the civil record it doesn't. Usually, if it's on one it's on the other. I had this experience years ago. A relatives death cert where the info was given by her son in law said the woman's husband was deceased when she died in 1896. I believed it as he wasn't on census with her in 1891 although she said married. Thought someone else gave info. Looked for yrs couldn't find death of husband. Turned out husband died 1908 yrs later, but because he left & didn't even attend her funeral bad blood made son in law say "dead". Guess family thought of him that way. Kim

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Re: Bridget BRENNAN marriage register 1881
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 18 September 21 07:54 BST (UK) »
Thanks Kim. We have discovered that there are no Rochfortbridge parish burial records before 1880 (or civil records before 1864, of course). So if he died there (where he married and all the children were baptised) between 1857 (a petty sessions court appearance in Mullingar over a pub brawl that also involved his brother-in-law) and 1864 there would be no record of his death. There is a family story that Bridget's parents died young and she was raised by an aunt and uncle, which supports this possibility. Geoff