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Offline louisem

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Can you help me with a DNA mystery?
« on: Wednesday 25 August 21 21:43 BST (UK) »
I believe My GG grandfather was William Henry Budge born sometime between 1852-54 in St Stephens/Launceston Cornwall. I have several DNA matches also linked to this ancestor so it seems likely this is correct.
He lived in Stoke Dameral and was the father of my G Grandfather Edgar Gordon Budge (born 1892)

I have believed from census info and a baptism record on Family Search that William’s parents were William Henry Betenson Budge and Eliza Crowley. They certainly are recorded as having a son William Henry who is the right age and birthplace. However I cannot find a single DNA link to this couple and I have also met online several descendants of William and Eliza who have done a DNA test and we are not connected.
I am concluding from this that my William Henry was either a) living with people who weren’t his birth parents or b) was a different William Henry Budge but there are so many similarities I have got them mixed up somehow.

I hope this isn’t too confusing and wondered if anyone had any ideas?

Thanks very much
Cardiff- Davies, Thomas,
Forest of Dean/Symonds Yat- Farr
Barnstaple - Symons
Bideford - Labbett
Newcastle Emlyn - Davies
Devonport - Budge, Goodman

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Re: Can you help me with a DNA mystery?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 August 21 22:35 BST (UK) »
His navy records give his dob

William Henry Budge
Birth    13 Jul 1852     Launceston,
First Service Date:    1 Jan 1873
First Ship Served On:    Agincourt
Last Service Date:    5 Dec 1879
Last Ship Served On:    Northumberland

That would fit with this birth

BUDGE, WILLIAM  HENRY      
mmn CROWLEY     
Q3 1853   LAUNCESTON  Volume 05C  Page 25

Doesn;t help with the DNA!

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Re: Can you help me with a DNA mystery?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 August 21 23:00 BST (UK) »
Edgar's birth reg shows mmn as Turner

Marriages June qtr 1875   
William Henry Budge     Plymouth    5b   473      
Margery Turner       Plymouth    5b   473

What is his fathers name & occupation on his 1875 marriage cert
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

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Re: Can you help me with a DNA mystery?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 August 21 23:05 BST (UK) »
William and Eliza’s family is interesting - they had William H shortly after their Jun qtr 1852 marriage (perhaps the pregnancy was the reason for the marriage), followed by no further children for many years, then an apparent burst of fertility in the 1860s:

1865 Jun qtr: Clara Ann Budge mmn Crowley (died aged 3)
1868 Jun qtr: Florence Emma Budge mmn Crowley
1869 Dec qtr: Arthur Edwin Budge mmn Crowley

Not sure where this gets you with the DNA, however!

Which child(ren) are the known descendants from?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Can you help me with a DNA mystery?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 August 21 23:13 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for digging. I also find the gap in the children curious and adds to my thinking that William may somehow have come from elsewhere!
I will check who the people I know of are descended from. I know they are all linked by DNA to each other but none to me.
Cardiff- Davies, Thomas,
Forest of Dean/Symonds Yat- Farr
Barnstaple - Symons
Bideford - Labbett
Newcastle Emlyn - Davies
Devonport - Budge, Goodman

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Re: Can you help me with a DNA mystery?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 August 21 23:24 BST (UK) »
Carole that is a very good question and I’m not sure that I have the wedding certificate. I will check my folders and if I don’t that my obvious next thing to do. Well I say obvious, it was obvious to you but not me so thank you very much for pointing me in that direction, sometimes I can’t see the wood for the trees and it’s so helpful for someone else to have a look/think.
Cardiff- Davies, Thomas,
Forest of Dean/Symonds Yat- Farr
Barnstaple - Symons
Bideford - Labbett
Newcastle Emlyn - Davies
Devonport - Budge, Goodman

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Re: Can you help me with a DNA mystery?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 26 August 21 00:01 BST (UK) »
Another frustration is that when I try to see if there are other William H Budge born in Launceston in the same period Family Search is showing one in the 1871 census. I don’t have access to Find My Past so I can’t check this person but can find no sign of him on Ancestry or My Heritage in the 1871.
He is listed on Family Search as born Launceston 1852 and living in Devon 1871 as a warrant officers servant.
Cardiff- Davies, Thomas,
Forest of Dean/Symonds Yat- Farr
Barnstaple - Symons
Bideford - Labbett
Newcastle Emlyn - Davies
Devonport - Budge, Goodman

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Re: Can you help me with a DNA mystery?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 26 August 21 00:25 BST (UK) »
Can't see him on Findmypast  :(
Dinsdale, Ellis, Gee, Goldsmith,Green,Hawks,Holmes,  Lacey, Longhorn, Pickersgill, Quantrill,Tuthill, Tuttle & Walker,  in E & W Yorks, Lincs, Norfolk & Suffolk. Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Can you help me with a DNA mystery?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 26 August 21 00:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you for looking. I’m baffled by the entry on Family Search for 1871 which doesn’t seem to exist anywhere else.

I’ve ordered his marriage certificate to Margery Turner. Fingers crossed for something fascinating.
Cardiff- Davies, Thomas,
Forest of Dean/Symonds Yat- Farr
Barnstaple - Symons
Bideford - Labbett
Newcastle Emlyn - Davies
Devonport - Budge, Goodman

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