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Re: Footman or Coachman to Queen Victoria
« Reply #45 on: Friday 27 August 21 20:26 BST (UK) »
When I wonder did George and Louisa marry?

There is an 1891 census record for a Louisa Langley living in the Hamilton district of Ontario with her parents John and Louisa and eight siblings.  Birthplace is England.

Is this George's Louisa?

Yes, I have that same census and I do believe it is her.  I've been studying the 1891,1901,1911,1921 cencus records .  They weren't living together prior to the 1901 census.  So they got married sometime between 1891 and 1901.  Their oldest child Ethel was born in May of 1892.  So if they were married before she was born then that puts their wedding date in 1891.  Does that seem right?

It still hasn't helped me locate the record but I also haven't had a lot of time to spend searching. 

Thank you for all of your suggestions and help!

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Re: Footman or Coachman to Queen Victoria
« Reply #46 on: Friday 27 August 21 20:30 BST (UK) »
I looked at the GRO website for Louisa's birth and found:-

LANGLEY, LOUISA  JANE     DREWITT 
GRO Reference: 1871  S Quarter in KINGSTON  Volume 02A  Page 256

I get the same mmn for her siblings.

I found Louisa with her parents in the 1891 census for Hamilton, Ontario.  That census was taken on 22nd April 1891.  One would assume that Louisa and George married some time between then and the birth of Ethel.

Are you able to contact any kind of registrar's department for Hamilton to ask for a search for a marriage between Louisa and George?

I am not familiar with the Canadian BMD system so not sure what is possible.
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Re: Footman or Coachman to Queen Victoria
« Reply #47 on: Saturday 28 August 21 12:48 BST (UK) »
There’s an Ontario Marriage Index on Family search. I found Ethel May’s marriage there and one of her siblings but no marriage for the parents.


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Re: Footman or Coachman to Queen Victoria
« Reply #48 on: Saturday 28 August 21 18:13 BST (UK) »

...The 1901 Census from Canada has his name as George A.  There is no other documentation after that of his middle name or middle initial....


His gravestone does include his initial A. See http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/1158739

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« Reply #49 on: Saturday 28 August 21 18:31 BST (UK) »
That was worth finding Monica.  Now if a marriage record for George and Louisa could be found that would hopefully clarify whether his father was George Christmas Wood.

Do we assume that they probably married in Hamilton?
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Re: Footman or Coachman to Queen Victoria
« Reply #50 on: Saturday 28 August 21 20:43 BST (UK) »
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My MIL tells me that one of her grandfathers was either a footman or a coachman for the Queen of England.  She identified two men -  father and son- who she suspected could be the person.

If it was her grandfather we can't be going too far back into the 19th century; and the only two possible candidates could not be father and son. This doesn't really hang together.
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Re: Footman or Coachman to Queen Victoria
« Reply #51 on: Saturday 28 August 21 21:01 BST (UK) »
Potentially, GG....but as we know...hard to be certain without the registration.

A new possibility perhaps back in England for George A.

There is the family of a George Wood and a Mary Ann who raised their family in the London area. Can't find their marriage, but I believe her maiden name may have been Humphrey. This may be her with her family www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGTW-36F and www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGZT-MQJP And George with his family in 1851 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGGD-JBW

Their son George (showing as the eldest although there may have been another one before him born c. 1867 as I saw a christening in Jan 1868 in Lambeth that could fit for this couple) shows as born 1st Qrt 1869 in Wandsworth (which would fit with the birth date showing for George on his Canadian records I think):

WOOD, GEORGE - Mother's maiden name HUMPHRIES     
GRO Reference: 1869  M Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 532

Mary Ann died in 1892. George remarried in 1894, a widow called Jemima Canfill. In this registration he is down as a wheelwright, his father Moses, a blacksmith.

George Jnr shows with parents in 1871 and 1881 only.

Some census entries for this family:

1871 Not found this yet
1881 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q273-3B43
1891 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QQ6N-4ZM
1901www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9H4-CSC (some later born children belong to Jemima's first marriage)
1911 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWL6-B2K

So, wondering whether this could be George and his family roots?

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Re: Footman or Coachman to Queen Victoria
« Reply #52 on: Saturday 28 August 21 21:16 BST (UK) »
It's worth bearing in mind Monica.  No harm in noting any possible candidates until such time as the marriage for George and Louisa comes to light.
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Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
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Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
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Re: Footman or Coachman to Queen Victoria
« Reply #53 on: Sunday 29 August 21 11:40 BST (UK) »
That was worth finding Monica.  Now if a marriage record for George and Louisa could be found that would hopefully clarify whether his father was George Christmas Wood.



Definitely not George Christmas (his son married Elizabeth BREEDS (reply #2)  ;)

It will be a bit a bit of work, but without a marriage certificate to see his mother's maiden name, you do know his birth date: 16 March either 1868 or 1869, and hopefully parents George and Mary. Whilst there are around 40 George WOODs born in the Mar qtr 1868 &1869, you could try to reduce the number by following them all - some are easily identified in subsequent marriages and census records. (and death records like the one I mistakenly suggested in reply#25)

I had a look at the ones with a middle name "A", but they all seem to be accounted for.  ;)