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Re: Search the parents of Georgina HARVEY, born 31 Dec 1883
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 29 August 21 14:40 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for the very useful information!

I have one additional question about the parents of Matilda Hazel, born 1850 Cambridge.
In both the 1851 and the 1861 census, I find as her parents William Hazell (born circa 1820) and Emma Hazell (maiden name Marsh, born circa 1825). With the first reported child (on the 1851 census), Mary Ann, born circa 1828, that would make the mother 13 years of age. Am I wrong here?

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Re: Search the parents of Georgina HARVEY, born 31 Dec 1883
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 29 August 21 16:01 BST (UK) »
According to the GRO website, Williamís eldest children have the motherís maiden name of Langley.   There is a marriage 1840 in Cambridge for a William Hazell and Susan Langley.
Looks like Susan must have died.
The children from Emily, born 1850, onwards have the motherís maiden name of Marsh.

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Re: Search the parents of Georgina HARVEY, born 31 Dec 1883
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 29 August 21 20:22 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Lili M, for the suggestion that William Hazell was married twice, first with Susan Langley, and later with Emma Mars. I found the marriage with Susan Langley (5 Apr 1840, Cambridge) and her death (1846D Cambridge). There is a slight complication, however.
I have two sources of information for the children of William: the census and the GRO birth records. I list here all children with MMN Langley or Marsh:

Name              Birth year     MMN               Source

Mary               1838            ?                    Census 1841, 1851 (Mary Ann in census 1851)
Rebecca          1840D          Langley           GRO     [died 1841]
Samuel Langley1842D          Langley           GRO     (Samuel 1844 in census 1851,
                                                                           1842 in census 1861))
Arthur             1844J          Marsh!            GRO      (spelled Hazel)
Emma             1845J           Langley!          GRO
Matilda            1846M          Marsh             GRO       [died 1846J]
Eliza                1847J          Marsh             GRO
James              1848           ?                    Census 1851 [died 1855]
Emily               1849M         Marsh              GRO       (1850 in census 1851)
Matilda             1850D         Marsh             GRO        (1851 in census 1851)
Frederick           1852J         Marsh             GRO        (1852 in census 1851)
Alfred               1854S         Marsh             GRO
Louisa              1856M         Marsh             GRO       (1857 in census 1851)[died 1858M]
Louisa              1858M         Marsh             GRO
Eliza                 1860           ?                    census 1851
 
The problem is that the birth and maiden names of Arthur and Emma are in conflict with the theory that William first married Susan Langley and after Susan's death married Emma Marsh.  Most of the rest agrees reasonably well between census and GRO, although there are some persons in the census I cannot find in the GRO, and vice versa.

It would help if I could find the marriage between William and Emma Marsh, but so far I have not been able to find it.

Any suggestion you (or other readers of this, of course) may have will be most welcome. This has become addictive!

Nicolaas Mars
(no relation to Marsh)

 

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Re: Search the parents of Georgina HARVEY, born 31 Dec 1883
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 29 August 21 20:38 BST (UK) »
Marriages
Q3  1847   Cambridge    Vol 14   p29   

Atkinson    Elizabeth       
German    Parker        
German    Susan        
HAZELL    William Langley        
MARSH    Emma        
MOTT    Joseph        
RANDALL    James        
Snelling    Mary Ann        


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Re: Search the parents of Georgina HARVEY, born 31 Dec 1883
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 29 August 21 20:44 BST (UK) »
It looks to be the right chap. William Langley Hazell was baptised in 1819, son of JOhn and Sarah. William  and Susan Hazell are with John Hazell in 1841

Possible William and Susan are related, given the Langley name he carries

Potentially through

John Hazell
Sarah Langley
Marriage:    23 Apr 1803 Saint Michael, Cambridge,

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Re: Search the parents of Georgina HARVEY, born 31 Dec 1883
« Reply #14 on: Monday 30 August 21 08:25 BST (UK) »
Very helpful, again. Thank you very much!

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Re: Search the parents of Georgina HARVEY, born 31 Dec 1883
« Reply #15 on: Monday 30 August 21 11:53 BST (UK) »
Another Hazell/Marsh family?  Probably the Arthur and Eliza from your list above.

1851  Peterborough, Cambridge
Mary Ann Hazell  wife   30 Cambridge
Arthur Hazell       son     7       ď
Eliza Hazell          dau     4       ď

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Re: Search the parents of Georgina HARVEY, born 31 Dec 1883
« Reply #16 on: Monday 30 August 21 11:56 BST (UK) »
Yes, I believe you are right!  Thank you for helping solve this puzzle.

Nicolaas


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Re: Search the parents of Georgina HARVEY, born 31 Dec 1883
« Reply #17 on: Monday 30 August 21 19:14 BST (UK) »
James Hazell and Mary Ann Marsh married 25 Dec 1842 (not easy to find on FreeBMD as he's mistranscribed completely - wrong location and volume number)

James Hazell looks very likely to be William's brother. He's son of John at his marriage, and there's a James baptised to John and Sarah in December 1820

1851 he's boarding in Westminster. working as a compositor

Next question is whether Mary Ann and Emma Marsh are related. Wouldn't surprise me that a young widower with children to bring up would marry brother's wife's sister.

Mary Ann has father James at her marriage, and in 1841 there's a Marsh family with head James and amongst the children Mary Ann and Emma at about the right ages