Early 1600s Will

[QueenoftheWest]

Hi,

Could anyone please help me decipher this will? Sadly, my palaeography skills leave a lot to be desired! The first bit is in Latin and I think the second bit is in English but, honestly, it's all Greek to me!

I'm trying to put together how all the Pykes are related and I have found a will of a John Pyke (1625) which includes my ancestor (I think!) Thorpe and Thomas who, I am hoping, is Thorpe's brother. I'm thinking that John, Thorpe & Thomas are siblings but it would be great to have confirmation.

I can pick out their names but that's about it. Link for those who have Ancestry:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61333/images/47286_p1_p_104_a1_tcl?usePUB=true&pId=137026

All I can decipher is the first line:

? ? ? nos Thorpe Pyke of West Weeke in Pewsey, Wiltshire, yeoman and Thomas Pyke of Rainscombe in North Newnton, Wiltshire, yeoman.

I am not expecting a full transcription but I would be grateful if someone could give me the 'highlights,' i.e. any mention of their relationship to the deceased or anything about Thorpe or Thomas, which could be useful.

Thank you so much!

Queenie 

[QueenoftheWest]

Part 2

[goldie61]

It's not a will as such.
It's a standard administration of his goods.

The second part is in English and starts:
The condic(i)on of this obligac(i)on is such that if the above
bounden Thomas Pike doe well and truely administer all and
singular the goodes chattles cattles & credits of John
Pike late whilst he lived of Westweeke w(it)hin the p(ar)ish of
Pewsye above said [   ] late deceased that is to say doe
pay all the debts w(hi)ch the said deceased did owe at the tyme
of his lief and death .............


He has to provide 'a true and perfect Inventory' of all the goods, chattles and credits.

I can't see anywhere any more names of the Pike people. or any relationships between those given at the top of the Latin piece.

Did the Inventory survive? Do you have it?
Occasionally I've found clues in Inventories. eg. My son Charles owes me 5 shillings.

[goldie61]

Have you seen this site? (it may be yours for all I know!)
https://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/

A large number of Pike wills transcribed - some from Wiltshire.
Perhaps there may be something there of interest,
I looked briefly at the one of Simon Pyke 1654. Thorpe Pyke is a witness.
https://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/pike/Wills/PykeSymon_WoottenRivers_1654.shtml

Also Thorpe mentioned in this one a couple of times:
https://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/pike/Wills/PikeJohn_RamscombeNorthNewntonWilts_1634.shtml

[horselydown86]

Here is a rough translation of the descriptions of the two bondsmen in the Latin part.  Some of this text isn't particularly legible but I believe this is the meaning.

...we Thorpe Pike of West Weeke within the parish of Pewsye in the county of Wiltes yeoman and Thomas Pike of Remscombe within the parish of North Newnton in the county of Wiltes aforesaid yeoman...

They were bound in 100 pounds.  Otherwise the Latin looks to be fairly standard bond wording.

[horselydown86]

Pewsye above said [   ] late deceased that is to say doe

I think this line is:  ...Pewsye above said intestate deceased...

[QueenoftheWest]

I can't see anywhere any more names of the Pike people. or any relationships between those given at the top of the Latin piece.

Did the Inventory survive? Do you have it?
Occasionally I've found clues in Inventories. eg. My son Charles owes me 5 shillings.

Thank you very much for your response. Yes, the inventory has survived (see attached) but, unfortunately, nothing of note. As far as I can tell, it's just miscellaneous items like clothes and a bit of money. I believe that he was Thorpe & Thomas' brother and, given that they were born in c.1588 and c.1596 respectively, he probably was only 20 or 30-something. I don't think he married or had kids as no wife is mentioned, which would explain why his brothers dealt with his estate.

There's a burial for John Pyke, son of Henry in 1625, which is probably him.

Have you seen this site? (it may be yours for all I know!)
https://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/

Yes, that site is such a gift!  Not mine, I've actually only just opened up this line after finding a marriage licence that had been eluding me.

I'm 99% sure that Symon of Wootton Rivers (d.1654), Thorpe of West Weeke (d.1672), John of West Weeke (d.1625) and Thomas of Rainscombe (d.1653) are brothers but it would have been nice to have that extra confirmation from John's administration.

I think John Pyke of Rainscombe (d.1634) was the brother of their father Henry (d.1636) as he refers to Thomas (the eldest) as his godson and Thorpe and Symon as his kinsmen. He also leaves money to their children.

I really need a new pair of eyes on this, though. I think I might start a new post to see if anyone can help me prove/disprove my theory or to see if I can find anyone else working on this line.

Queenie 

[QueenoftheWest]

Here is a rough translation of the descriptions of the two bondsmen in the Latin part.  Some of this text isn't particularly legible but I believe this is the meaning.

...we Thorpe Pike of West Weeke within the parish of Pewsye in the county of Wiltes yeoman and Thomas Pike of Remscombe within the parish of North Newnton in the county of Wiltes aforesaid yeoman...

They were bound in 100 pounds.  Otherwise the Latin looks to be fairly standard bond wording.

Thank you very much for your response. Shame it doesn't state their relationship but oh well... I'm glad to hear that someone else thought this text was illegible - it wasn't just my inexperienced eyes!

Queenie