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Staffordshire accents
« on: Thursday 02 September 21 17:05 BST (UK) »
  I am hoping someone who knows the area will spot this! I heard part of a programme on the radio this morning about Stoke on Trent, and was surprised to hear that all the people who appeared had a "northern" accent. I have a cousin with a strong Walsall accent, and I had the impression that the Black Country accent was similar. I looked at a map and realised that Stoke is as near Sheffield as it is to Birmingham, so have I been under a misapprehension all my life?
  I tried to find one of the maps of linguistic boundaries, but without success.
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Re: Staffordshire accents
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 02 September 21 17:23 BST (UK) »
https://sounds.bl.uk/Sound-Maps/Accents-and-Dialects

Does this help?

British Library interactive map
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Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
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Re: Staffordshire accents
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 02 September 21 17:36 BST (UK) »
"Does this help?"

Nope. 
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis


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Re: Staffordshire accents
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 02 September 21 17:38 BST (UK) »
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
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Re: Staffordshire accents
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 September 21 17:46 BST (UK) »
  They all sound more Northern than Birmingham, so I think I must have been wrong about it!
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Re: Staffordshire accents
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 September 21 18:35 BST (UK) »
Birmingham accent is different to a Black Country accent. Walsall accent is similar to Willenhall and Wolverhampton but then you get a gap to Stoke on Trent. Stoke has different verbal influences as North Staffordshire butts up to Derbyshire and Cheshire. Manchester and Sheffield aren't far either.


I'm from Walsall.
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Re: Staffordshire accents
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 September 21 18:56 BST (UK) »
If you can find "The Accents of English" by John Wells - Vol 2: the British Isles, this has a huge amount of information. It's significant that Vol 3: Rest of the World is slimmer. Wells describes the Potteries as having an accent intermediate between that of the Black Country and Manchester.

I distinguish between "dialect" which refers to local vocabulary, and "accent" which persists even when the speaker is speaking standard English.

Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs <br />Hancox - Warks<br />Green - Warks<br />Draper - Warks<br />Lynes - Warks<br />Hudson - Warks<br />Morris - Denbs Mont Salop <br />Davies - Cheshire, North Wales<br />Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire<br />Owens - Cheshire/North Wales<br />Hicks - Cornwall<br />Lloyd and Jones (Mont)<br />Rhys/Rees (Mont)

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Re: Staffordshire accents
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 September 21 19:01 BST (UK) »
Birmingham accent is different to a Black Country accent. Walsall accent is similar to Willenhall and Wolverhampton but then you get a gap to Stoke on Trent. Stoke has different verbal influences as North Staffordshire butts up to Derbyshire and Cheshire. Manchester and Sheffield aren't far either.

I'm from Walsall.

I agree with Medpat - I'm from Wolverhampton  :)

Added: I've worked with quite a few people from Stoke and they sound nothing like us  ;D
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/Smethwick.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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Re: Staffordshire accents
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 September 21 19:19 BST (UK) »
  Thank you - I think medpat has given the definitive answer! I saw when I looked at the map that Stoke was a lot further north.
  (Cousin was actually brought up in Brownhills.)

  Chris - I will look out for the book you mention.
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