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Tursell?
« on: Friday 03 September 21 20:25 BST (UK) »
I'm trying to work out a maiden name as this person is a bit of a brick wall.

I'm not sure where this marriage record is from as I cant find it on ancestry or FindMyPast. This image was found on an online tree.

The name is given as 'Elizabeth Tursell' but I'm not sure if that is correct?
The marriage is by license 'Thomas Billings, of Cottingham, Northamptonshire, Gentleman, and Elizabeth *Tursell/Tursall/Turnell?*, of Cottingham, Spinster' 1 Sep 1688.

Any help appreciated.
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Re: Tursell?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 03 September 21 20:45 BST (UK) »
looks like Tarsell
the 'a' looks exactly like other a's in this tiny fragment; no 'u' to compare with

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Re: Tursell?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 03 September 21 22:29 BST (UK) »
I'd agree the second letter looks like an 'a'.
That's not to say you might have to look for alternative spellings if you're searching for her.
Some sites allow you to put an * instead of the vowel, so the search engine looks for alternative spellings.
There's some doubt whether the first letter is a 'T'. It is very different to the 'T' at the start of  'Thomas' in the groom's name.
I'm not sure what else it might be, but I wouldn't say it was 'T' definitively.
By the way, the groom's name is written 'Billing' here - no 's' on the end.

Is there any more of this scribe's writing on this licence?
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« Reply #3 on: Friday 03 September 21 22:35 BST (UK) »
After looking at the other letters in the snip, I also think it looks like Tarsell.
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Re: Tursell?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 03 September 21 23:06 BST (UK) »
Thank you.

Sorry, wrote as Billings as family alternate between spellings.

I shall post the top part of the record, for some reason it seems as if the record as been photocopied in half, not like all the other marriage licenses from the period I have viewed but nevertheless appears to contain all information.

Elizabeth is given as 'of Cottingham' but I'm not sure if she actually was. Thomas was an assistant/trustee of John Dove, Esquire, of Cottingham. And frequently travelled between the Dove estates at Cottingham, Northamptonshire and Rolleston/Billesdon, Leicestershire.
Richard Dudley of Cosby. Gent
George Bent of Cosby. Gent
William Black of Kilby. Gent
Edmund Read of Sutton. Gent
Bernard Cotton of Dadlington. Esq
Sir Thomas Halford of Wistow. Bart
Richard Swynfen of Sutton Cheney. Gent
John Cotes of Aylestone. Gent
John Freeston of East Norton. Gent
Sir John Bernard of Abington.
Edward Shuckburgh of Naseby. Esq
Richard Worsley of Deeping. Esq
Thomas Hobson of Glen. Gent
John Grant of Stretton Parva. Gent
John Miles of Heanley Hall, Gent
Tyldesley Monck, Gent

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Re: Tursell?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 September 21 23:11 BST (UK) »
Whilst Thomas has signed his name, the 'T' here is similar to Elizabeth's surname possibility of 'T', just less of a curl at the start?
Richard Dudley of Cosby. Gent
George Bent of Cosby. Gent
William Black of Kilby. Gent
Edmund Read of Sutton. Gent
Bernard Cotton of Dadlington. Esq
Sir Thomas Halford of Wistow. Bart
Richard Swynfen of Sutton Cheney. Gent
John Cotes of Aylestone. Gent
John Freeston of East Norton. Gent
Sir John Bernard of Abington.
Edward Shuckburgh of Naseby. Esq
Richard Worsley of Deeping. Esq
Thomas Hobson of Glen. Gent
John Grant of Stretton Parva. Gent
John Miles of Heanley Hall, Gent
Tyldesley Monck, Gent

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Re: Tursell?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 04 September 21 05:39 BST (UK) »
I see the mark above/near the first letter of Elizabeth's surname as possibly belonging to the lc  't' in Elizabeth.  Her surname without this stroke may be Casell/castle or similar. 

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Re: Tursell?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 04 September 21 06:52 BST (UK) »
I'm not sure where this marriage record is from as I cant find it on ancestry or FindMyPast. This image was found on an online tree.

It's half of a marriage bond and (unless I am mistaken) was issued from the diocese of Peterborough:

...de Burgo s(anc)ti Petri al(ia)s Petriburgensis...       (Last word is quoted in contracted form.)

The full bond or the matching Marriage Allegation may have the intended place of the marriage.

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Re: Tursell?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 04 September 21 06:57 BST (UK) »
There's some doubt whether the first letter is a 'T'. It is very different to the 'T' at the start of  'Thomas' in the groom's name.
I'm not sure what else it might be, but I wouldn't say it was 'T' definitively.

In the bond image, the word Teneri (line 5) has the same form of T as Elizabeth's surname, while Thomam (line 1) has the other form.

I think it is either Tursell or Tarsell.