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Back to the anvil...
« on: Saturday 04 September 21 15:32 BST (UK) »
Hi. After a long downtime I have returned to bashing away at the Minute Book of the St. Andrews Hammermen. This time I'm working on a page from the late 1600s (see image).

So far, for this paragraph I have:

xxxxxxx September 1668
The same day Alex(ande)r Pryd xxxx Decan
to this traid for a(ne) yeir to come quha acceptit xxx
and maid faith de fideli administratione

The word at the start of the date is, I suspect, a number in the 'teens'. As for the second gap, context suggests an expression conveying 'was re-elected'. The third gap - the usual format here would be 'who accepted and made faith as use is'. Here, though, there is an extra word after 'accepted' which I can't make out. The final Latin phrase 'de fideli administratione' is one I hadn't encountered previously, but Prof. Google was kind enough to provide a translation and context.

Any help filling in the gaps would, as always, be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Back to the anvil...
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 September 21 15:42 BST (UK) »
I think the first word of the date is auhten = eighth?
Clarkson, Tolladay, Prevost, Killick, Hicks

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Re: Back to the anvil...
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 September 21 16:18 BST (UK) »
Manukarik,  I think you may be right. If you compare the A here with the A at the start of Alexander, they're nearly identical. The u seems right too, but I thought the next letter looked like an 'x'. Still,  'auchtein' is probably the right transcription. Thanks!


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Re: Back to the anvil...
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 04 September 21 16:24 BST (UK) »
The letter that looks like a "y", I think is an "h" as it often looks like that in secretary hand.

Edit: Looking again I think you're right!
Clarkson, Tolladay, Prevost, Killick, Hicks

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Re: Back to the anvil...
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 04 September 21 22:41 BST (UK) »
The word at the end of the second line after 'acceptit' could be 'thereof'.
There's a 'y ' = th, then some letter for abbreviation, then 'of' (the top loop of the 'f' is faint and gets mixed up with the end of 'Decan' above it).
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Back to the anvil...
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 04 September 21 23:21 BST (UK) »
goldie61 yes,  that's almost certainly what it's meant to be. In other similarly worded entries, the words 'acceptit thairof' have been used , so it looks like the writer has abbreviated 'thairof' here.

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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 04 September 21 23:30 BST (UK) »
line 1 - Auchtein = eighteen

line 2 - samen = same

line 2 - Is continewit = is continued

line 3 - for a zeir = for a year

line 3 - yrof = thereof