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« on: Tuesday 07 September 21 10:15 BST (UK) »
Kia ora

I don't know anymore where I got this from nor do I know what it means.  I am not asking for anyone to translate it for me word for word, but a rough idea of what it means.  I must have got it because it has Benjamin Wykham/Wykwan mentioned.  Wykhams are in my tree but very early on 1360 and prior. And my lot are Henry, Maud and Agnes in Sussex. 

Any help appreciated.

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Re: Latin
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 07 September 21 11:02 BST (UK) »
This is a final concord, part of the feet of fines process, between Richard Costantyn of London and Margaret his wife querents (plaintiffs) and Richard de Elleford and Leticia his wife deforciants (defendants) for land in Eton and Wyboldeston (Bedford). Henry Wykwan is there on behalf of Margaret as an attorney.

I suppose the original must be on the AALT site but I have't looked exactly where.

On edit:

Here is a abstract/translation on Medieval Genealogy, number 16, with a link to the original

http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_4_56.shtml
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Re: Latin
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 07 September 21 15:31 BST (UK) »
I must have got it because it has Benjamin Wykham/Wykwan mentioned.

There is definitely no Benjamin in this record. It is Henricum (Henry) Wykwan. There is a long r in the middle, descending below the line. I suspect someone has misread this r as a j, and also misread the initial H as a B, and has therefore come up with Benjamin.


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Re: Latin
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 07 September 21 15:41 BST (UK) »
I don't think I've seen a Benjamin in England in the 14th century, probably not until the 16th century. Benedict and Bennet, certainly, but not Benjamin.
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 07 September 21 16:28 BST (UK) »
I don't think I've seen a Benjamin in England in the 14th century, probably not until the 16th century. Benedict and Bennet, certainly, but not Benjamin.

Would Benjamin have been regarded in England as a Jewish name then?
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Re: Latin
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 07 September 21 22:10 BST (UK) »
Great, many thanks to you all, Vance you are saying then that Henry was an attorney?

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 08 September 21 06:11 BST (UK) »
Yes, he was an attorney.

There are several records where he was acting in the same capacity, for example:
(282) York: In the octave of Saint Hilary 8 Edward III.
Q: John de Frenstede and wife Joan by Henry Wykwan attorney of Joan.

http://www.kentarchaeology.ac/Records/KRNS5-4.pdf
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 08 September 21 06:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks Vance that is marvellous.

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Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh