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Romany descent?
« on: Friday 10 September 21 18:08 BST (UK) »
Hello, I am sorting out lots of photographs ,papers etc.
My relatives ,children of my late mother’s siblings do ,tend to embellish information which can mislead.
The latest is in a letter sent by my cousin some time ago.
She stated that our grandmother was of Romany descent !
My mother who was full of wonderful stories about her family never said that.
Well the surname is Breckell,her mother’s name was Williamson .
From Manchester as far back as I have gone,Ashton and Chorlton on
Medlock.
I am dubious , surely my mother would have mentioned that.
Any suggestions welcome.
Viktoria.
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« Reply #1 on: Friday 10 September 21 18:57 BST (UK) »
No timescale given in your post.  There is an 1864 marriage on freebmd John William Breckell to Mary Williamson in Manchester

Marriage cert shows both John William & his father James as porters & Mary's father John  as a fustian cutter
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« Reply #2 on: Friday 10 September 21 21:12 BST (UK) »
Sorry, I did not mention that I have done quite a bit of the Breckell family history.
However,the thought that crossed my mind today when sorting out my notes - where a cousin had mentioned the Romany connection etc, was to try to find out despite my doubts .
Looked online at  Romany  surnames etc whilst I knew the family had various addresses in Manchester ,so when Breckell did not come I just thought I would ask RootsChat.
Yes they are my great grandparents ,my grandmother was born 1895 Margaret Ann .
Many thanks for your time and kindness .
The embellishing cousin would have it that one child of Margaret Ann died “ of a broken heart” —- no such thing exists.
Her death certificate say Haemoptysis- coughing up  blood ,from the mouth -in her case advanced Tuberculosis
She had fallen in love with a young Curate at church but he had no intention of marrying .On the rebound she married a very disturbed man ,badly injured in WW1 .
His treatment of her was a family tragedy ,shunning her and making her eat away from him ,keeping crockery ,cutlery and household linen separate .
In those days 1929’s that was advised ,but so cruelly done.
I must get his death certificate ,would be interesting to see what was his cause of death .
She was 29 when she died in 1929.
So many thanks again .
I am grateful for your time.
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« Reply #3 on: Friday 10 September 21 23:02 BST (UK) »
Hi

Bit confused.  1871 shows Margaret Ann Breckell aged 6.  Married 1883 to Samuel Pomphrey.  She died 1932 aged 67.  Margaret's marriage cert confirms father as John William Breckell
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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 11 September 21 01:32 BST (UK) »
No wonder you are confused —- typo —grandma born Fourth December 1864
Birth registered January 1865 ——- ::)
So a bit of a rush for her parents to get married - October 30th 1864.
Married Sam Pomphrey July 23 1883 aged 18 , Samuel was 19.
Thanks again ,sorry for the confusion .
Viktoria.