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Charles henry briggs.
« on: Saturday 11 September 21 10:56 BST (UK) »
I'm hoping to find out if I can confirm if Charles Henry Briggs was admitted to the Randwick Asylum for Destitute Children in Sydney Australia on 6 Aug 1866.
Charles b 16 Jun 1858 Towrang, New South Wales.
Married Louisa M Kennewell 5 Oct 1876.
Died 13 Jun 1929 North Sydney.
His father was William Briggs 1806-1858.
Mother Ann Smith 1829-1900.
William Briggs died when Charles was just 6 months old.
 Charles was the seventh child, not all still living.
Ann next married George Brown in 1862 and their two children were born in 1865 and 1869.
The Asylum register states that Charles father was dead and his mother could not support him.  He was admitted at 8 and a half years old and apprenticed when 13 years. I can't decipher the actual date.
 Is there a way to confirm that this is my ancestor?
Thank you for any help.
Sandie.


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Re: Charles henry briggs.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 11 September 21 11:05 BST (UK) »
I have asked the moderator to move your post to the Australia board. 
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Re: Charles henry briggs.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 11 September 21 12:16 BST (UK) »
Hi,

May I ask a question or two  :)

From the 1876 marriage registration,  what is recorded on that document for  :) William's occupation,  and also for
 :) the names of Charles' mother?   

Both those pieces of information would be provided by Charles to the clergyman when organising the 1876 marriage.  Charles would likely have relied on info from his mum or his older siblings.   If there are blanks on the registration, then you may need to research further, as those NSW BDM elusive blanks are commonly found on NSW BDM summary registration for that era. 

The NSW State Archives has the  full Destitute Children's records for Randwick. 

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Re: Charles henry briggs.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 11 September 21 13:41 BST (UK) »
Charles father William Briggs was a brickmaker and his mother was Ann Smith. I did mention her name in my original question.
Can you tell me how I would access the full records for the Asylum?
I found the entry on Ancestry and presumed that Charles was admitted to the asylum, became apprenticed and at a later stage, re-joined his family. He worked as a carpenter.
He is named on his mothers death certificate.
Sandie.

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Re: Charles henry briggs.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 11 September 21 14:10 BST (UK) »
Does that 1876 marriage registration record actually record :

.....
May I ask a question or two  :)

From the 1876 marriage registration,  what is recorded on that document for  :) William's occupation,  and also for
 :) the names of Charles' mother?   
.....

I can see that the C of E  baptisms for Charles and his older siblings give their father as a brickmaker, but I am asking about the 1876 marriage record as that can help your research re the boy on the Randwick admissions papers.

The NSW State Archives has various partnership arrangements with commercial websites, including Ancestry and FindMyPast.  But the actual records are at the Archives and are often far more extensive than the images that are available via subscriptions on those commercial websites.

NSW State Archives website has webinars on many topics readily available, no charge:   e.g.
Children in Care in the 19th and early 20th centuries

They also have a printable online guide, and  a detailed background briefing and a list of some fantastic books and booklets re the Randwick facility and it's records. 

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Re: Charles henry briggs.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 11 September 21 14:17 BST (UK) »
 :)

Re Ann, Charles' mum.... so does Charles 1876 marriage show his mum as Ann BROWN, formerly BRIGGS, and with her maiden name as SMITH ... 

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Re: Charles henry briggs.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 11 September 21 14:49 BST (UK) »
BDM NSW births
BRIGGS William       254/1845 V1845254 32A      parents William / Ann
BRIGGS Betsey        1352/1849 V18491352 34A   parents William / Ann
BRIGGS Thomas       2029/1851 V18512029 37A  parents William / Ann
BRIGGS Charles H    3472/1854 V18543472 40    parents William / Ann
BRIGGS Alice S L     4634/1856                          parents William / Ann       @  Goulburn
BRIGGS Charles H    7199/1858                           parents William / Ann      @  Goulburn


Ancestry Register for Asylum for Destitute Children

BRIGGS John  admitted 4 Jul 1865  5 1/2 y Prot from B.A  dearture 29 Aug 1873  13y
father dead  deserted by mother  apprenticed to Dr ........DOWE Tamworth

BRIGGS Alice admitted 1865    9y  Prot.  from B.A  departure 20 Feb 1869  13 yrs
father dead  deserted by mother  apprenticed to * BRIGGS of North Shore
(written over to be M. BAILEY)

Alice, 13y at 1869 would be born 1856.

BRIGGS Charles   admitted 6 Aug 1866   6 1/2 y   C of E  Prot  departure 18 July ****
father dead mother is unable to support him  apprenticed to  ***** Mr FLEMING(?) Burwood 


Is this your Alice BRIGGS, and a brother John...born after death of William BRIGGS?

These entries will be all that is recorded for these children. There will be no file.

Sydney Benevolent Asylum
https://sydneybenevolentasylum.com/index.php?page=search-index

BRIGGS   Charles           admitted        3 Oct 1863      5y   
BRIGGS   Charles      discharged      6 Aug 1866           8y

BRIGGS   Alice                   admitted         3 Oct 1863       7y   
BRIGGS   Alice              discharged      3 Apr 1865            7y

BRIGGS   John                   admitted        16 Nov 1863      3y   
BRIGGS   John              discharged      25 Jul 1865            3y

BRIGGS   Ann                   admitted         3 Oct 1863      31y   
BRIGGS   Ann              discharged      14 Nov 1863   31y

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Re: Charles henry briggs.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 September 21 01:12 BST (UK) »
Majm, you asked for information from Charles marriage certificate with Louisa M Kennewell and that's what I've provided.
I'm not sure what you are asking for if that's not want you wanted.

Wivenhoe, thank you for the information. The entry for Charles is what I was asking about.
 I didn't know of the other children being in care but Alice was born in 1856 so she fits.
There was a Thomas J born 1851. Perhaps he is John?

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Re: Charles henry briggs.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 12 September 21 01:19 BST (UK) »
When I look at the register entry to which I think you are referring, I see quite clearly-

Charles Briggs
Admitted 6th August 1866 aged 8 and a half years old

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