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Looking for help to find my dad's adoption papers
« on: Sunday 12 September 21 07:09 BST (UK) »
Hi,

My dad, Malcolm Roy Kinsey was born on the 22nd January 1944 as seen on his birth certificate.

His Birth certificate number is 157311 and his Entry number on his birth certificate is 435/44.

It looks like he was adopted in October 1944.

Where can I search to find out about his birth parents?

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Tony Kinsey

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Re: Looking for help to find my dad's adoption papers
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 12 September 21 10:36 BST (UK) »
Why do you think he was adopted.  It looks to me as though it is a copy of the that was obtained in October 1944 confirming the January birth details unless I am missing something in translation.
It is a bit like the 'short' birth certificates issued in England
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 12 September 21 11:15 BST (UK) »
My dad said he was and I confirmed it with his cousin.

My dad said his birth mothers maiden name was Ford. My dad died of covid this year so this is all we have as far as the details go.


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Re: Looking for help to find my dad's adoption papers
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 September 21 11:40 BST (UK) »
I only queried it as your initial post  'It looks like he was adopted in October 1944' made me think he may not have been.

Sorry to hear that he has died this year
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Re: Looking for help to find my dad's adoption papers
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 September 21 11:55 BST (UK) »
No problem, we aren't sure of the date and we assumed it was probably at birth.

He was a great man but lives on in our hearts. I very similar to my dad in so many ways so the family see him in me.

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Re: Looking for help to find my dad's adoption papers
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 September 21 12:36 BST (UK) »
My condolences for your loss.

Not being familiar with the system in South Africa, I can only suggest that if he was adopted and you know his mother's name was FORD, try looking for a birth registered in that name, around the time of his birth.

In the UK a child is usually registered within 42 days of birth, that registration is marked adopted once the adoption has taken place. A new certificate is issued in the adopted name, but there nothing to indicate a connection between the two registrations.

I don't know if that helps you, you can only give it a try.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester, Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Looking for help to find my dad's adoption papers
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 September 21 15:55 BST (UK) »
Any Idea where or website I can look at to try get this information?

Our Home Affairs dept. needs ID number or names so haven't been very helpful. I have asked with regards to my dad's current name. We not 100% sure of Ford name either.

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 September 21 18:05 BST (UK) »
Currently 1944 Durban birth indices/records are not available online, but contacting the KwaZulu-Natal Provincial Archives might be an option - see: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/KwaZulu-Natal_Province,_South_Africa_Genealogy#Civil_Registration

I have tried to deal via email with an SA archive in the past, but gave up after a few attempts as they never replied back and I don't seem to be the only one that has had issues with SA Archives. Therefore if it was me, I'd try to phone them first and - if they have them - hopefully get all the facts for acquiring a copy of the original BC. (An alternative would be to hire a local agent)

At the moment you seem to have an extract of the original BC (i.e. I believe that the original BC will have more information). It is possible that it would have been required for the adoption that you were told about.
I don't think that the extract number 153711 would be of any further use. However, the Durban BC# 435/44 would mean that the archive should be able to find the BC fairly easily.

Update: I just realised something strange: the extract mentions that the BC was kept in Pretoria (i.e. Transvaal/Gauteng instead of Natal) and not in Durban, Natal ... maybe this has something to do with his adoption or maybe this is where SA certs were kept
FYI:
The Department of Home Affairs in Pretoria, holds the most comprehensive compilation of personal resources for all South Africans. Access to the registers of births is closed until 1971, to protect individuals, as stipulated by the office of origin. These records are housed in the various archival repositories. If you live overseas and would want to apply for your own or a family members birth certificate you MUST only apply for an unabridged version from either your local South African Embassy or Consulate. Nobody else can apply on your behalf in South Africa for a birth certificate for either you or your mother you have to do it yourself.

see: https://www.ancestors.co.za/birth-records-south-africa/

Update#2: The previous info is most likely useless based on your "Home Affairs" remark ...

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Re: Looking for help to find my dad's adoption papers
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 12 September 21 20:48 BST (UK) »
Many thanks