Author Topic: Usk Trials  (Read 786 times)

Offline ShaunJ

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 24,012
    • View Profile
Re: Usk Trials
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 15 September 21 12:50 BST (UK) »
The child that died at Brickfields in October 1848 was just 15 months old so must have been born in prison circa July 1847.

Recorded as William Pain:

https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/results?qf=NI_INDEX%09Record+type%09Deaths%09Deaths&qu=pain&qu=william
UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Drosybont

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 428
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Usk Trials
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 15 September 21 12:59 BST (UK) »
The newspaper reports can also be seen free to view on the National Library of Wales website Welsh Newspapers, eg this report of the second case:

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3394207/3394210/27/

Drosybont
Hotham, Guilliatt, Brown, Winter, Buck, Webster, Mortimore
Richards, Meredith, Gower, Davies, Todd, Westmacott, Hill
Mid C19 Cardiff and Haverfordwest, the Marychurch family.

Offline mike43011

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 11
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Usk Trials
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 15 September 21 20:33 BST (UK) »
Thanks again.
For some reason though the link to the National Library won't open? I'm in Australia could that be why? I'll try on my laptop tonight
Regards Michael

Offline Mabel Bagshawe

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,807
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Usk Trials
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 15 September 21 21:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks again.
For some reason though the link to the National Library won't open? I'm in Australia could that be why? I'll try on my laptop tonight
Regards Michael

It's not just you Michael. I think the website is having problems. I can get to the home page but any search brings up an error message


Offline Drosybont

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 428
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Usk Trials
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 15 September 21 21:53 BST (UK) »
Oh dear, yes, they are having problems at the moment.  I find this happens now and then, usually put right within a day or so.  Hopefully that will be the case this time.  Searching for 'welsh newspapers online' should bring up the homepage as the first result, then once it's working, search for "margaret payne" to get to the articles about her.

Drosybont

Hotham, Guilliatt, Brown, Winter, Buck, Webster, Mortimore
Richards, Meredith, Gower, Davies, Todd, Westmacott, Hill
Mid C19 Cardiff and Haverfordwest, the Marychurch family.

Offline mike43011

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 11
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Usk Trials
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 16 September 21 20:43 BST (UK) »
It opened!!
Looking at all this information it seems she had 2 sons called William?
One born after her first crime 1840 and
one who died in Tasmania aged 15 months while she was in jail again1848. Not uncommon I believe. Sad though.
Thanks again everybody
Regards Michael

Offline mike43011

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 11
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Usk Trials
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 03 October 21 07:21 BST (UK) »
Where would I find the trial records themselves? We really need an address for Margaret Payne since we have a lot of conflicting information. Some records have her born 8 years apart and some say married and some single. So was she a Payne by birth?From a death I found she was born in 1810.
Regards Michael