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Birchall of 16 Cygnet Street, Wigan
« on: Thursday 16 September 21 21:19 BST (UK) »
Hello, I am trying to gather information about the William Birchall, my Great Grandad and his family of Wigan. My Grandparents, Ellen Birchall and Christopher Joseph Green married in 1927. Unfortunately, I knew nothing of them all as I was 4 when we left England. Sadly, not enough questions were asked or answered about ancestors. Any information would be so much appreciated.

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Re: Birchall of 16 Cygnet Street, Wigan
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 16 September 21 21:45 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat   :)

This site has a transcription of the Birchall/Green marriage
https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

1st October 1927 St James, Poolstock, Wigan.
Christopher Green; 23, Miner, Bachelor, 70 Corporation Street
Ellen Birchall; 20, Spinster, 16 Cygnet Street
Groom's Father: John Green, Brewery Labourer
Bride's Father: William Birchall, Engineer
Witness: Peter Hamer; Jane Harrison
   
This should help you to go back. The site also shows a baptism in 1908 - Ellen, the same address. Parents William and Mary.
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Re: Birchall of 16 Cygnet Street, Wigan
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 16 September 21 23:09 BST (UK) »
Deaths

Joseph Christopher Green aged 82 born 30 Sep 1903
Oct 1985    Wigan
Volume 39
Page 2350

Births December qtr 1903   
Joseph Christopher Green     Wigan    8c   99

His mothers maiden name was Higham
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Re: Birchall of 16 Cygnet Street, Wigan
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 16 September 21 23:19 BST (UK) »
Deaths

Ellen Green aged 73 born 25th July 1908
Dec qtr 1981 Wigan
Volume 39
Page 2434

Births

There are 2 Ellen Birchall births in the September qtr 1908 Wigan.  Mothers maiden names were Dickinson & Weston

There are 2 possible marriages

Marriages December qtr 1907   
BIRCHALL    William        Wigan    8c   149    
DICKINSON Mary         

Marriages June qtr 1903   
Birchall    William         Wigan    8c   88      
Weston    Jane         
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

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Re: Birchall of 16 Cygnet Street, Wigan
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 September 21 01:03 BST (UK) »


Marriages December qtr 1907   
BIRCHALL    William        Wigan    8c   149    
DICKINSON Mary           

This one has the correct address of 16 Cygnet St.

Married 05 Oct 1907, The Parish Church of St James, Wigan

William Birchall, age 22, bachelor, machinist, 16 Cygnet St., father John Birchall, engineer
Mary Dickinson, age 19, spinster, 29 Peel St, father James Dickinson, carpenter

Married after banns.
Both signed
Witnesses: William Finch, and Jane Dickinson

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Re: Birchall of 16 Cygnet Street, Wigan
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 September 21 08:10 BST (UK) »
I can confirm that one of the 1911 census records Carole gave you is correct.

Living at 16 Cygnet St, Wigan, Lancashire, England.  All the residents of the household have their birth place as Wigan, Lancs.

John Birchall born 1862 occ. Mill mechanic cotton
Theresa Birchall born 1865
William Birchall (son to above) born 1885, occ. Driller
Mary Birchall (D-in-L to John) born 1889

The two children are Ellen born 1909 and Elizabeth born 1911, granddaughters to John.

bbart has given you the details of William & Mary's marriage which also confirms the 1911 address.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Birchall of 16 Cygnet Street, Wigan
« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 September 21 08:33 BST (UK) »
John Birchall married Teresa Shannon on 5 August 1883.  Fuller details here:-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNJF-62F

Added: I finally found the image no. 485:-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DWP4-QH?i=484

Enlarge the page and then the entry is top right No. 345 on the marriage register.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Birchall of 16 Cygnet Street, Wigan
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 September 21 14:06 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for all of the information. I had an idea about my Nanna's mother being Mary Dickinson but when I contacted the owner of that Ancestry site, he said that our Birchall's were not related.  You know that feeling you get when you just know something to be true?  I'm so thankful to you all for finding this. It's a really good beginning.

Jan