John Bailey - Railway Stoker

[catdog4]

Hi
I need some help tracking down John Bailey (snr) father of John Bailey (jnr)
I have the marriage cert of his son.

3rd March 1869 at Register Office in Lancaster by license
John Bailey aged 22 years - farm laborer
married
Elizabeth Whittingham aged 21 - domestic servant
Father of groom - John Bailey deceased Railway stoker
Father of Bride - Robert Whittingham - Farmer

I have John (jnr) and Elizabeth Bailey on the 1871 UK census at Weavers Farm Cabus Garstang Lancashire.  John gives his age as 23 born 1848 Manchester ag Laborer.  John is working for Richard Airey. 

John Bailey (jnr) dies in 1880 aged 33 years.  Leaving Elizabeth with 7 children and one on the way.  In 1881 she is at Garstang Winmarleigh aged 32 - Annuitant.

I have lots on Elizabeth's side Thank you.

Trying to work out more on John Bailey (snr) going backwards.  And I can not find John Bailey (jnr) pre marriage.

Thank you

[AMBLY]

Hello and welcome to Rootschat!

What was John jnr's address on the 1869 Marriage, and what are the names of the witness?

They may have some clues.

Cheer
AMBLY

[red3]

John Bailey (jrn) Edward Street Lancaster 
Elizabeth  - address  Winmarleigh

Witness Robert Fell and Mary Marshall. 
I have no idea if these witnesses are related.
 

[Skoosh]

Welcome to Rootschat, your Railway Stoker might elsewhere be a Fireman!

Bests,
Skoosh.

[rosie99]

Welcome to rootschat

John Bailey (jnr) dies in 1880 aged 33 years.  Leaving Elizabeth with 7 children and one on the way.  In 1881 she is at Garstang Winmarleigh aged 32 - Annuitant.

Presumably her income after Johns death came from her parents 

[mckha489]

What were the names of the 7 children?

[Sandblown]

Surprisingly, the GRO lists just one John Bailey, born between 1846 and 1850 Manchester, with no middle name.

BAILEY, JOHN       WELSH 
GRO Reference: 1847  S Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 20  Page 663

[catdog4]

Children of John (jnr) and Elizabeth Bailey (nee Whittingham)

1. George Whittingham born 1868 Baptisted at St Helen's Church Garstang Lancashire married
   1892  Mary Ann Railton Winmarleigh. Died NZ 1948.

2. Mary Bailey born 1869 Scorton Preston.  married William Armer 1891 Garstang Lancashire.
    Publican at Ship Inn Pilling.  Mary died 1933.

3. Elizabeth Bailey born 1871 Garstang Living with mother on all census 1881 to 1911. Death ??

4. Margaret Bailey born 1873 married 1897 James Capstick Died NZ 1942

5.Annie Bailey born 1875 Garstang.   Possible married Richard Ronson -ag Laborer by the 1901
   Census. ??

6. Isabella Bailey born 1877 Garstang Possible death 1895 Settle.

7. John Bailey born 1878 Garstang On UK Census 1881 to 1911 with mother.

8. Robert Bailey born 1880 on UK census 1881, 71, 91  and 1911 with mother.  1901 at New Hall
   farm working for Mary A Singleton - farmer.  as a Teamster.  Mother living on neighboring farm.
   Possible record 1939 UK Register at Rose Cottege Kirkham Garstrang - gamekeeper married. 
   Brother  John Bailey living with them.

I looked at the Welsh /  Bailey option.  Can not find a marriage. 

On the UK 1861 census John Bailey (snr) is a cotton spinner.

[catdog4]

Did not word that right.

The only John Bailey born 1814 in Manchester I can find is a Cotton Spinner in Manchester.  He has a son John Bailey the right age??  But Can not find a marriage wife is recorded as Eliza born about 1817.