Property Conveyance Wales 1335 Please help!

[Llanfihangel]

Hi,
Here is part of a property conveyance from 1535> I have deciphered some of the words, but I suspect it is in Latin!

The faded text and the ancient script make things very difficult.. Please let me know if it is in Latin, and if possible the gist of what is happening!

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Thanks

Llanfi 

[sunnylew]

I can tell it's latin, but my Latin skills are very limited.

At the end it has the (or a) date 10th July 31 Hen VIII (1539), and before that I can see some names:

David ap ?Ho ap Morgan

Walter ap Morgan

Philipp ap John ?

and Richard ?Mauve

[Llanfihangel]

Hello sunnylew,

You're doing better than I am!

I was pretty sure the document is in Latin. Latin isn't my strong point either.

The Welsh names are patronymic and involve a lot of "ap"s, meaning "son of"

Thanks again!

Llanfi 

[horselydown86]

Note that the names given by Sunnylew are the witnesses.

The clip begins in the middle of the action.

It concerns a tenement of land (or lands) with its (or their) appurtenances - no fuller description is given.

The only certain protagonists' names are David and Elizabeth his wife.  I believe they are the acquirers of the land, probably for the term of their lives.

Beyond that there's a section in the middle of the second line which I can't figure out.

It's something like:  ...ac eor(um) d?ci(us) vinent...

I can't say whether this is significant or not.

[Bookbox]

... to have and to hold the aforesaid tenement and land with all its appurtenances to the aforesaid David and Elizabeth his wife, for the term of their lives and to whichever of them lives longer, and to the lawfully produced heirs of their bodies for ever, from the chief lords of that fee, for services then formerly owed and by right accustomed. And if it should happen that the aforesaid David and Elizabeth his wife should die without heirs of their bodies lawfully produced between them, then we wish that the aforesaid tenement and land with all its appurtenances should revert and remain to the heirs and assigns of the said David ap Thomas for ever. In witness of which matter to this present charter we have affixed our seals; these being witnesses, David ap Hugo/Hugh[?] ap Morgan, Walter ap Morgan, Philip ap John [...] and Richard Maure[?] with many others. Given on the tenth day of the month of July in the thirty-first year of the reign of King Henry VIII after the conquest of England [1539].

(The first part of the doc should provide more on the identities of the main players.)

ADDED

Beyond that there's a section in the middle of the second line which I can't figure out.
It's something like:  ...ac eor(um) d?ci(us) vinent...

... ac eor(um) diuti(us) vivent(i)
...and to the the longer-liver of them

[horselydown86]

... ac eor(um) diuti(us) vivent(i)
...and to the the longer-liver of them

Thank you for the explanation.

[Llanfihangel]

Hello all!

Thank you for your splendid help once again, especially to Bookbox! 

I have managed to decipher some of the first part of the document (albeit in Latin) and I think it goes something like this….

“Whereas Lewis ap Howell ap Gwilim ap Gwatkin and John ap Thomas ap Morgan have released siesement (ownership) and have (given title?) to David Thomas ap David ap Gwylim and Elizabeth Havard daughter of Watkin Havard Esq. (his wife? to lands ? ?? ?) situate in the parish of Merthyr Kynog in the commote (County) of Brecon”

And then I get lost once again!!

I would really like to have a description of the “aforesaid tenement and land” that is in the first part of the document, please see attached.

Your help is greatly appreciated

Cheers,

Llanfi 

[Bookbox]

May those now present and to come know that we, Lewis ap Howell ap Llewellyn[?] ap Gwatkin and John ap Thomas ap Morgan, have released, enfeoffed, and by this our present charter have confirmed to David Thomas ap David ap Gwylim and to Elizabeth (daughter of William Havard), his wife, one tenement of land situated in the parish of Merthyr Cynog within the lordship of Brecon, extending in length from the River Honthy [Honddu?] at one end as far as the king’s highway in that place called Kevenforth at the other end, and in breadth certainly from the land of John ap Gwylim on the one side as far as the land of Thomas ap David ap Morgan on the other side, which tenement of land we recently held from the gift and feoffment of the said David ap Thomas as by his charter[?] ...

[Llanfihangel]

Hello all!

I am in awe of your generosity and expertise in deciphering all of this!

I had no idea the document was in Latin, and now I have it in plain English!

Thank you once again horselydown86 and especially Bookbox!

I hope you are all well, and continue to strengthen this Forum

All the very best!

Llanfi