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Death record using date of birth?
« on: Sunday 19 September 21 15:17 BST (UK) »
My annoying Great Grandfather is called Alfred smith, I know his exact date of birth but I don't know where or where he died only that he is alive in 1913 and probably dead by 1918-  I don't know where in the UK he died because he was a musical hall artist and moved around all the time, my question is  can you locate a death record somehow by the fact that I do know his exact date of birth?

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Re: Death record using date of birth?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 19 September 21 15:43 BST (UK) »
I have come across an article (5th January 1914) about the death of the performer Mark Melford which says his real name was Smith. It refers to his brother, the late Austin Melford (real name Alfred Smith). Is this the person you are looking for?

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Re: Death record using date of birth?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 19 September 21 15:44 BST (UK) »
Can't use an exact birthdate for this time frame, it was many , many years after this that England & Wales incorporated actual dates of birth into death registrations (and even then it was only to be the best knowledge of whoever the informant was).

However, if you believe he died in England or Wales then try FreeBMD.
Search deaths

Surname Smith
First name Alfred
date range 1913 -1918 and don't specify either a county or a district

Before you press search , put a range in the Death Age/DoB box. You can try the exact year of his birth but its better to do a range with a year either side, so if he'd been born in 1880 type in

 @1879-1881

now hit search

27 hits for those search terms, and it will take a lot of work to discount them one by one, by trying for cemetery records, old newspapers etc etc.

and if he died in Scotland or Ireland then you'd have to also search their records.

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Re: Death record using date of birth?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 19 September 21 15:53 BST (UK) »
I have come across an article (5th January 1914) about the death of the performer Mark Melford which says his real name was Smith. It refers to his brother, the late Austin Melford (real name Alfred Smith). Is this the person you are looking for?

The Stage, 30 Jan 1908 has a report of the death and funeral of Austin Melford (real name Alfred Smith) brother of Mark Melford. Its a long article but says he was 53, had been born at Fareham, Hampshire and spent most of his childhood in Portsmouth. He died 23 Jan 1908

Hopefully that will help the OP to either confirm or discount this man.


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Re: Death record using date of birth?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 September 21 16:00 BST (UK) »
You could also try a probate calendar search, year by year from when you last have a record that says he was alive. IF he had something to leave -  then a probate calendar entry most probably give a date and place of death.

Calendars can be searched
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https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

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Re: Death record using date of birth?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 September 21 16:04 BST (UK) »
A 1936 article in the Portsmouth Evening News mentions Jack Melford and says he is the son of Austin Melford (= Alfred Smith) and his wife, whose stage name is Alice Gambler.

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Re: Death record using date of birth?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 20 September 21 11:47 BST (UK) »
I suspect this is his death record:-

Deaths Mar 1908
SMITH    Alfred    53    Brentford    3a   71

There is a probate record as follows:-

SMITH Alfred of 15 Sandycombe Road, Twickenham, Middlesex died 23rd January 1908, Probate London 9th May to Alice Smith widow, Effects £2921 14s 8d
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Death record using date of birth?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 20 September 21 11:53 BST (UK) »
OP says he was definitely still alive in 1913
Side tracked to a friendís very interesting Norfolk families. MORGAN, PRATT, HORNOR, SUCKLING, GLEANE etc. And in London DOWNES, du CROZ, MORGAN (same MORGANs as the Norwich lot)

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Re: Death record using date of birth?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 20 September 21 11:55 BST (UK) »
There appears to be 48 newspaper articles regarding the death of Austin Melford all of which are in January 1908.

You can find them on either Find My Past or probably the British Newspaper Archives.

The Stage of 30th January 1908 has mention of the funeral as well as other information.  This particular article takes up about a column and one third of the paper.  Page 21.

Sorry Tickettyboo - I see that you have aleady mentioned the above article.  ::)
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire