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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 21 September 21 22:52 BST (UK) »
327 Oldpark Road Belfast

That does seem to be the address of William and Minnie Haughey.

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 21 September 21 22:53 BST (UK) »
Belfast Telegraph, 7 November 1949: RICHARDSON - November 6, 1949 (suddenly), at her residence, 83 Torrens Avenue, ANNIE, dearly loved wife of JAMES RICHARDSON. - Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Sister and Brother-in-law Minnie and William Haughey, 327 Oldpark Road.



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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 21 September 21 22:58 BST (UK) »
Great find, Gaffy!


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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 21 September 21 23:23 BST (UK) »
Just add the marriage of Joseph Lutton to Harriette Anne Payne, 12 Sep 1898
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10423/5795058.pdf

His father, Joseph Lutton, Farmer.
So he should be a brother of Mary Lutton who married William Black (Joseph Lutton was a witness to that, don't know which one!)

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 22 September 21 09:11 BST (UK) »
Well I've certainly got a lovely family tree for the Black family now. Here's a bit more about James & Annie (Black) Richardson's family-

Belfast Telegraph, 7 Nov.1949: RICHARDSON—November 1, 1949, suddenly, at her residence, … Avenue, ANNIE, … dearly loved mother of JAMES RICHARDSON.—Deeply regretted by her Sorrowing Son, Daughter-in-law and Grand-children. James and Meta Richardson, 132 Limestone Road …

Belfast Telegraph, 12 June 1969: RICHARDSON—June 10, 1969, at Hospital, JAMES, dearly-loved husband of the late Annie Richardson. Funeral from his home, 83 Torrens Avenue, to-morrow (Friday) at 2 p.m., to Carnmoney Cemetery. House private.—Deeply regretted by his sorrowing …

So, in addition to infant Margaret Richardson who's burial was posted earlier there was a son James who married & had family.

In the same burial plot as James & Annie is an Audrey Richardson, died 9 Mar.1948 age 14 who might be their daughter.

This might be another daughter-
Belfast Telegraph, 14 Apr.1948: … match later this month … this year were Misses Kathleen Humphries … and Beatrice Richardson, Torrens Avenue. The contest is organised annually by Roden Blue Supporter's Club, whose president this year is Mr. R. Burnside …

Added- James Richardson m.19 June 1944 Martha Dodridge. A Martha Richardson buried Dodridge plot in Carnmoney Cemetery East in 2001. Meta is often a nickname for Martha.
James Richardson died 6 Sept.1967 age 46 also in a Dodridge plot.
Have found death notice for James Black Richardson, husband of Meta. Will not post is since son & daughter born 1940s could still be alive.- Can be sent by PM
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 22 September 21 09:55 BST (UK) »
There's another burial in same plot as James Black leads to another connection.
Margaret Richardson born & died 1926 so birth and death registrations won't be online but address is 17 Ballynure St.
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6851.2946

In 1932 directory- https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1932.htm
#11 John McNee, carpenter and #17 D. Richardson, labourer
#8 is a Samuel Black, soldier (any connection?)

1924 much the same- https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1924_1.htm
except #11 is Wm McNee, carpenter

1939- https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1939.htm
#17 James Richardson, labourer

Which of course brings us to the marriage of Annie (Black) Sillers to James Richardson-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09247/5347101.pdf

Thanks aghadowey! I had wondered who the 'Richardson' in James BLACK's plot was (you might have deduced from my user name that I am one as well!) but until now had nothing to link the two.  That clears up who is in there - James, his daughter Sarah Jane, Sarah's husband William HARVEY, Annie BLACK (child of James's son Robert)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05210/4440511.pdf
and finally Margaret RICHARDSON

I will have a look at the Lennon Wylie records when I get a chance.  Thanks again, Paul!!
Looking For:
Darwen - Richardson / Walsh / Harwood
Middlesbrough - Hunter / O'Lone
Belfast - Haughey / Stewart / Henderson / Black
Norfolk - Hunter / Langley
Boyle - Harney

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 22 September 21 10:15 BST (UK) »
Afternoon again aghadowey!  Can I draw on your experience regarding the two unnamed daughters? Rightly or wrongly, I had assumed that in cases where no first name was given - on the birth record - then that signified a death at birth or a stillbirth. But your comments - and those of others here - would suggest this is not so and that the child might have lived.
Was it common for births to be registered before the parents had decided on a name or by someone who did not know what name had been chosen? If so is there any way to discover what name had been given (when the Census is not an option)?

It wasn't that uncommon in those days to register a child without Christian name(s). Sometimes the child's name will later be added on the right-hand column. Often registrations done by hospital staff don't include Christian names.
Not sure what the current situation regarding registering births is but in the early 1990s it was possible, but strongly discouraged, to register without a name. We had a first name chosen for our eldest but hadn't decided on middle one but when I asked registrar at the hospital she was horrified and said to wait and do it later in the Registry Office.

Thanks for clearing that up. Paul!!
Looking For:
Darwen - Richardson / Walsh / Harwood
Middlesbrough - Hunter / O'Lone
Belfast - Haughey / Stewart / Henderson / Black
Norfolk - Hunter / Langley
Boyle - Harney

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 22 September 21 10:21 BST (UK) »
Well I've certainly got a lovely family tree for the Black family now. Here's a bit more about James & Annie (Black) Richardson's family-

Belfast Telegraph, 7 Nov.1949: RICHARDSON—November 1, 1949, suddenly, at her residence, … Avenue, ANNIE, … dearly loved mother of JAMES RICHARDSON.—Deeply regretted by her Sorrowing Son, Daughter-in-law and Grand-children. James and Meta Richardson, 132 Limestone Road …

Belfast Telegraph, 12 June 1969: RICHARDSON—June 10, 1969, at Hospital, JAMES, dearly-loved husband of the late Annie Richardson. Funeral from his home, 83 Torrens Avenue, to-morrow (Friday) at 2 p.m., to Carnmoney Cemetery. House private.—Deeply regretted by his sorrowing …

So, in addition to infant Margaret Richardson who's burial was posted earlier there was a son James who married & had family.

In the same burial plot as James & Annie is an Audrey Richardson, died 9 Mar.1948 age 14 who might be their daughter.

This might be another daughter-
Belfast Telegraph, 14 Apr.1948: … match later this month … this year were Misses Kathleen Humphries … and Beatrice Richardson, Torrens Avenue. The contest is organised annually by Roden Blue Supporter's Club, whose president this year is Mr. R. Burnside …

Added- James Richardson m.19 June 1944 Martha Dodridge. A Martha Richardson buried Dodridge plot in Carnmoney Cemetery East in 2001. Meta is often a nickname for Martha.
James Richardson died 6 Sept.1967 age 46 also in a Dodridge plot.
Have found death notice for James Black Richardson, husband of Meta. Will not post is since son & daughter born 1940s could still be alive.- Can be sent by PM

And thanks again! If you could please pm the death notice, it would be appreciated.

A more general question, are the Belfast Telegraph records available online? If so, could you point me in the direction of a link?

Thanks Paul!!
Looking For:
Darwen - Richardson / Walsh / Harwood
Middlesbrough - Hunter / O'Lone
Belfast - Haughey / Stewart / Henderson / Black
Norfolk - Hunter / Langley
Boyle - Harney

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 22 September 21 10:32 BST (UK) »
Belfast Telegraph, 7 November 1949: RICHARDSON - November 6, 1949 (suddenly), at her residence, 83 Torrens Avenue, ANNIE, dearly loved wife of JAMES RICHARDSON. - Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Sister and Brother-in-law Minnie and William Haughey, 327 Oldpark Road.


Nice one gaffy! Thank you Paul!!
Looking For:
Darwen - Richardson / Walsh / Harwood
Middlesbrough - Hunter / O'Lone
Belfast - Haughey / Stewart / Henderson / Black
Norfolk - Hunter / Langley
Boyle - Harney