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Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« on: Monday 20 September 21 14:56 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone!

Minnie Florence BLACK was my wife’s paternal Grandmother. She married William Meredith HAUGHEY in Belfast on 02 April 1917 and died on 27 September 1971 at 327 Oldpark Road, Belfast. I am struggling to find her date of birth and parents and really need a fresh pair of eyes ……!

What (I think) I know! We have a copy of the Marriage Certificate. It says Minnie was 23 and living at 3 Ballyclare Street so that would suggest she was born in 1894. The Certificate gives her father as J BLACK (deceased). There is also a New York Passenger Arrival Card from 1958 which gives a birth date of 04 September 1895 but there is no birth record for this date on either GRONI or Irish Genealogy.

The 1911 Census has a Mary BLACK of the right age living at 3 Ballyclare Street. The head of the household is a James BLACK (millwright) but he is listed as her grandfather. There is also another granddaughter, Ann BLACK b 1892. The 1901 Census has Annie (9), Minnie (7) and another grandchild, Maud (4). It is not clear whether the three girls have the same parents - I have not found birth records for any of them.  The 1901 Census also has another James BLACK in the house (the son of James, the millwright) but he is shown as unmarried and dies in June 1901.

I feel like there is a missing piece of the jigsaw that I am just not seeing – can anyone here help?

Thanks in advance, Paul!!
Looking For:
Darwen - Richardson / Walsh / Harwood
Middlesbrough - Hunter / O'Lone
Belfast - Haughey / Stewart / Henderson / Black
Norfolk - Hunter / Langley
Boyle - Harney

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 20 September 21 15:33 BST (UK) »
Minnie is often a nickname for Minnie so she could be the Mary Black you found in 1911 census. If she was illegitimate then she might have given her grandfather's name as her father when getting married.

It helps if you post links to the information you've already found to stop us from searching for the same details. Here's the 1901 census for 3 Ballyclare St.-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Clifton/Ballyclare_Street/144120/
James' wife Rose Ann had 10 children (5 living) so difficult to know from the census who these children might belong to.
Same household in 1901-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton/Ballyclare_Street/960386/

There's a Maud Black born 1896- parents Robert Black & Mina McCormick-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02153/1816671.pdf
Haven't found a marriage for this couple or any other children yet.

Added- daughter Florence Kathleen born 1900 (mother Mima).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01988/1765328.pdf

There was a son Robert Black, of 30 Ballymena St., who registered his father James' death in 1917-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05225/4446270.pdf
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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 20 September 21 15:38 BST (UK) »
Robert Black of Ballymena St., age 35 (born c1876)- 4 children (2 living which would be the 2 in the household)-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Clifton/Ballymena_Street/144189/

Here's Robert's marriage so we can eliminate the one married to Mina McCormick I mentioned in previous post-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10440/5801701.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton/Ballycastle_Street/960360/
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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 20 September 21 15:50 BST (UK) »
Rose Ann Black died 1914-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1914/05290/4470475.pdf

Belfast burials- City Cemetery (plot J1 92)
Mrs. Mary Black (d.1893 age 25) address- 1 Mayfair St.
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6339.5923
Isabella Black (d.1896 age 15 1/2) address- 3 Ballyclare St.
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6373.25784
Isabella Black (d.1900 age 2) address- 21 Ballycastle St.
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6379.15275
James Black (d.1901 age 26) address- 1 Ballyclare St.
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6403.18257
Rose Ann Black (1914)
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6319.47035

City Cemetery- Glenalina Extension (plot H 155)
James Black (1917)
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=4510.448
Annie Black (d.1917 age 6) address- 30 Ballymena St.
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6809.870
In same plot- Sarah Jane Harvey, William Harvey & Margaret Richardson
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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 20 September 21 16:00 BST (UK) »
Afternoon Aghadowey

Thanks for replying. I do have more information and can post some links (if I can figure out how to do it!) but I did not want to lead members down the same blind alley as I have ended up down by doing so!  I will add more detail shortly.

Paul!!
Looking For:
Darwen - Richardson / Walsh / Harwood
Middlesbrough - Hunter / O'Lone
Belfast - Haughey / Stewart / Henderson / Black
Norfolk - Hunter / Langley
Boyle - Harney

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 20 September 21 16:04 BST (UK) »
Just looking for all the family from 3 Ballyclare St. that I can find to discover identity of those 3 granddaughters.

Minnie Florence Black's marriage doesn't give any more clues-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09742/5535190.pdf

This might lead somewhere!
Son William Haughey born 1918- mother Minnie Lutton Haughey formerly Lutton Black
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01258/1522487.pdf
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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 20 September 21 16:14 BST (UK) »
Richard Lutton Black son of John Black & Sarah Elizabeth Thompson-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02519/1933643.pdf
Black family in 1901-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cromac/Elm_Street/969187/
John's father was James Black but can't see any connection to Blacks of 3 Ballyclare St. other than middle name Lutton.

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 20 September 21 16:41 BST (UK) »
Don't know if this helps or maybe you have already looked at this one.

Birth Ann Victoria Black, 1891, Father, William, mother Minnie Lutton

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02392/1892138.pdf