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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 20 September 21 16:53 BST (UK) »
There marriage, 1889. William is son of James Black, Millwright ( 1901 census). The Annie age 9 on the census is Ann Victoria.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10747/5918790.pdf

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 20 September 21 17:09 BST (UK) »
Children of James BLACK (millwright) and Rose Anne McCabe of Old Park

William BLACK (born before 1865 - don't have details), married twice.
First to Mary Lutton (she is the Mary Black who died in 1893 (your mail of 15:57 today)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10747/5918790.pdf.
They had a daughter Ann Victoria born 1891 so I think she it too old to be 'Annie'.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02392/1892138.pdf
Second marriage was to Sarah McAnally (no children that I can see)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10541/5839509.pdf

James BLACK (b1865) I don't have a marriage or death record - could possibly be Minnie's father but is too old to be the younger James BLACK on the 1901 Census
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03588/2322855.pdf

Unknown BLACK (b1866) - died at birth or stillborn
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03511/2291412.pdf

Andrew BLACK (b circa 1867-d1949) - don't have a birth record but his marriage to Mary WHITE in 1889 confirms his father was James the millwright
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10713/5905648.pdf
They had three sons - James (b1890), Andrew (b1897) and Ernest (b1899) AND a daughter, Mary
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02253/1847572.pdf
but she died in 1897 so cannot be 'Minnie'
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05877/4666490.pdf

There were then two more stillborn / died after birth children
Unknown BLACK (b&d 17/06/1870) and
Unknown BLACK (b&d 30/04/1872)

Then, another James BLACK (b1874-d1901?) - I think this is the one on the 1901 Census, he dies later that same year (also suggests the first James BLACK died before 1874?)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03164/2160799.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05730/4617217.pdf

Next Robert BLACK (b1876). Married Martha Jane BURTON in 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10440/5801701.pdf
and had four children - Isabella (b1898), Eva (b1900), Robert (b1901) and Annie Jane (b1910). None of these fit Minnie, Maud or Annie.

Sarah Jane BLACK (b1878, d1949). She married William Harvey in 1920 and is the Sarah Jane on the 1901 Census but could she really have had three illegitimate daughters by that time?. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09266/5354696.pdf

Finally, Isabelle BLACK (b1880, d1896) - too young to have had children before she died?

So that's the 10 children but I only have William(?), Andrew, Robert and Sarah Jane still alive in 1911? And I cannot see any of their children that match 'Minnie'.

I will look through all the details you have sent this afternoon next.

Thanks again - hope this latest post helps?


Paul!!
Looking For:
Darwen - Richardson / Walsh / Harwood
Middlesbrough - Hunter / O'Lone
Belfast - Haughey / Stewart / Henderson / Black
Norfolk - Hunter / Langley
Boyle - Harney

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 20 September 21 17:41 BST (UK) »
Quote from: aghadowey on Monday 20 September 21 15:33 BST (UK)
Minnie is often a nickname for Minnie so she could be the Mary Black you found in 1911 census. If she was illegitimate then she might have given her grandfather's name as her father when getting married.

It helps if you post links to the information you've already found to stop us from searching for the same details. Here's the 1901 census for 3 Ballyclare St.-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Clifton/Ballyclare_Street/144120/
James' wife Rose Ann had 10 children (5 living) so difficult to know from the census who these children might belong to.
Same household in 1901-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton/Ballyclare_Street/960386/

There's a Maud Black born 1896- parents Robert Black & Mina McCormick-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02153/1816671.pdf
Haven't found a marriage for this couple or any other children yet.
Added- daughter Florence Kathleen born 1900 (mother Mima).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01988/1765328.pdf

There was a son Robert Black, of 30 Ballymena St., who registered his father James' death in 1917-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05225/4446270.pdf

Hi! Not totally sure how to reply to a post rather than a thread but, the Census details are the 'right' family, the Robert who witnessed James BLACk's death is his son and the marriage to Mina McCormick is - as you say - a different family. I have previously ruled out that Maud BLACK. Paul!!
Looking For:
Darwen - Richardson / Walsh / Harwood
Middlesbrough - Hunter / O'Lone
Belfast - Haughey / Stewart / Henderson / Black
Norfolk - Hunter / Langley
Boyle - Harney

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 20 September 21 17:42 BST (UK) »
Looking For:
Darwen - Richardson / Walsh / Harwood
Middlesbrough - Hunter / O'Lone
Belfast - Haughey / Stewart / Henderson / Black
Norfolk - Hunter / Langley
Boyle - Harney

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 20 September 21 17:57 BST (UK) »
Quote from: aghadowey on Monday 20 September 21 16:04 BST (UK)
Just looking for all the family from 3 Ballyclare St. that I can find to discover identity of those 3 granddaughters.

Minnie Florence Black's marriage doesn't give any more clues-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09742/5535190.pdf

This might lead somewhere!
Son William Haughey born 1918- mother Minnie Lutton Haughey formerly Lutton Black
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01258/1522487.pdf

Hi! I have pondered this one for some time. We 'know' from her Marriage and Death Certificates and from my wife's direct contact with her 'Nan' that her middle name was 'Florence' so where does the 'Lutton' come from?  The only Lutton in the tree is Mary LUTTON, first wife of William BLACK but she died before Minnie would have been born......... There must be some link here but I cannot quite see it .....  Paul!!
Looking For:
Darwen - Richardson / Walsh / Harwood
Middlesbrough - Hunter / O'Lone
Belfast - Haughey / Stewart / Henderson / Black
Norfolk - Hunter / Langley
Boyle - Harney

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 20 September 21 18:05 BST (UK) »
Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 20 September 21 18:17 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Kiltaglassan on Monday 20 September 21 18:05 BST (UK)
Quote from: nosdrahcir on Monday 20 September 21 17:09 BST (UK)
Next Robert BLACK (b1876). Married Martha Jane BURTON in 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10440/5801701.pdf
and had four children - Isabella (b1898), Eva (b1900), Robert (b1901) and Annie Jane (b1910).

Also James born in 1912.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01484/1604141.pdf

Wow! Thank you for this - another son to add to their Tree.  Makes me think I need to go back and look again at that 'gap' between Robert (1901) and Annie (1910).
Looking For:
Darwen - Richardson / Walsh / Harwood
Middlesbrough - Hunter / O'Lone
Belfast - Haughey / Stewart / Henderson / Black
Norfolk - Hunter / Langley
Boyle - Harney

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 20 September 21 18:32 BST (UK) »
Quote from: nosdrahcir on Monday 20 September 21 18:17 BST (UK)
Quote from: Kiltaglassan on Monday 20 September 21 18:05 BST (UK)
Quote from: nosdrahcir on Monday 20 September 21 17:09 BST (UK)
Next Robert BLACK (b1876). Married Martha Jane BURTON in 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10440/5801701.pdf
and had four children - Isabella (b1898), Eva (b1900), Robert (b1901) and Annie Jane (b1910).

Also James born in 1912.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01484/1604141.pdf

Wow! Thank you for this - another son to add to their Tree.  Makes me think I need to go back and look again at that 'gap' between Robert (1901) and Annie (1910).

Had a look but can't find anything.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qxw/


Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: Minnie Florence BLACK of Ballyclare Street - date of birth and parents?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 20 September 21 19:11 BST (UK) »
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Hi! I have pondered this one for some time. We 'know' from her Marriage and Death Certificates and from my wife's direct contact with her 'Nan' that her middle name was 'Florence' so where does the 'Lutton' come from?  The only Lutton in the tree is Mary LUTTON, first wife of William BLACK but she died before Minnie would have been born......... There must be some link here but I cannot quite see it .....  Paul!!
Two possibilities spring to mind-
1) Minnie was named after Mary (Lutton) Black
2) Minnie's original name was Lutton & she was 'adopted' by Black family

Off to do more searching...
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!
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