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Thomas Bates Stourbridge 1853
« on: Wednesday 22 September 21 20:24 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I am looking for help finding this family in Worcestershire prior to the 1881 Census.

1881 Census for Sheffield
Address   2 Court 6 Clifton StreetAttercliffe Cum Darnall Sheffield  RG11 PN:4665 FN:? Page:313
Thomas Bates   28   1853   Head   Stownbridge, Worcestershire   Railway Porter         
Clara   Bates   24   1857   Wife   Coventry, Worcestershire       
Charles J F   Bates   3   1878   Son   Birmingham            
Clara A   Bates   1   1880   Daughter   Burton On Trent, Staffordshire            
Mary Ll   Bates   2m   1881   Daughter   Attercliffe, Yorkshire

I have found out that they were Married in Stourbridge in 1876 but can find no details of Birth or previous census returns...
Robinson, Roberts, Roles, Griffiths, Walton, Royle, Chorlton,
Mott, Jones, Greenway, Morris, Bates, Mackay, Colley, Wagstaffe, Rickwood, Winston, Sockett, Bates, Haylock, Winston, Cleminson, Goodwin, Sockett, Bevan, Williams, Bell, Johnson and Dearson.

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Re: Thomas Bates Stourbridge 1853
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 22 September 21 21:55 BST (UK) »
Clara's maiden name was Greenway.

Unless her age is way out there is a match on the 1861 b Coventry 1851

Marriage was 1875 not 1876.  You need to buy a copy of the 1875 marriage cert to determine their respective fathers names
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Re: Thomas Bates Stourbridge 1853
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 September 21 21:56 BST (UK) »
Not sure if this is him, but a possibility?

Tavern St, Wakefield

William Beesley    29    - b Dudley
Mary Ann Beesley   30    - b Bilston, Staffs
Sarah Jane Beesley   5    
Jeremiah Beesley   3    
Mary Ann Beesley    1    
Thomas Bates    18    - boarder b Dudley, Worcester. iron worker (puddler)
Mary A Armstrong    25    Visitor
David Armstrong    7    Visitor




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Re: Thomas Bates Stourbridge 1853
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 September 21 00:45 BST (UK) »
The three children showing in 1881:

GRO BIRTHS:
Charles Joseph Thomas BATES 1878 1Q 6D/304 Aston, Warwickshire mmn GREENWAY
Clara Adeline BATES 1879 2Q 6B/369 Burton on Trent, Staffs mmn GREENWAY
Mary Lilian K BATES 1881 1Q 9C/591 Sheffield, Yorks mmn GREENWAY

MARRIAGE:
At St Martin Parish Church, Gorton, Llancaster on 14 April 1900 Charles Joseph Thomas Bates, 22, a gas inspector of 4 Carley Street, son of Thomas Bates, a joiner married Eliza Jane Broadhurst, 22, a machinist of 9 Ainsworth Street, daughter of Joseph Broadhurst a mill-wright machinist


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Re: Thomas Bates Stourbridge 1853
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 September 21 05:47 BST (UK) »
Possible
1861 census Stourbridge
Sarah Bate widow 36 
James Henry 10  (1850)
THOMAS 7          (1853)
Mary Ann 3         (1857)
Sarah  10 months (1860)

GRO Index all registered with mothers maiden name Barratt

1851 Census Stourbridge
William Bate 25   Glass Maker
Sarah 24
James Henry 9 months

William Bate married Sarah Barratt registered Stourbridge 1847

There is a death registered in Stourbridge for William Bate age 29 in 1860

1841 census Stourbridge
William Bate 45 not born in county Glass Maker
Hannah 40   born in county
Maria 20
WILLIAM 15   Glass Maker
Mary 10
Hannah 2  (GRO Index mothers maiden name Fellows)


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Re: Thomas Bates Stourbridge 1853
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 September 21 06:30 BST (UK) »
Re: Clara

Later census her age increases showing born circa 1852

GRO Index
Greenway Clara 1851 registered Coventry no mothers maiden name so Illegitimate

1861 census Coventry
Joseph Greenway 62 widow Weaver   (1798-1872)
Clara Greenway 10 grand daughter

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Re: Thomas Bates Stourbridge 1853
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 23 September 21 07:25 BST (UK) »
Haven't found Clara 1871.

Her grandfather Joseph Bird Greenway married Lucy Bates 4 June 1820 St Michael Coventry

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Re: Thomas Bates Stourbridge 1853
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 23 September 21 16:39 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your replies, you have found lots of information that I had not been able to find out and will be really useful.

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GRO Index
Greenway Clara 1851 registered Coventry no mothers maiden name so Illegitimate
I have not come across anyone yet having no mother, I had guessed that maybe she was a daughter Joseph Bird Greenway. Is is normal to show no mother ?

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Joseph Bird Greenway married Lucy Bates 4 June 1820 St Michael Coventry
oh no another Bates !!!!

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Robinson, Roberts, Roles, Griffiths, Walton, Royle, Chorlton,
Mott, Jones, Greenway, Morris, Bates, Mackay, Colley, Wagstaffe, Rickwood, Winston, Sockett, Bates, Haylock, Winston, Cleminson, Goodwin, Sockett, Bevan, Williams, Bell, Johnson and Dearson.

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Re: Thomas Bates Stourbridge 1853
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 23 September 21 19:47 BST (UK) »
She has a mother, children who are registered with no father named on the certificate are given the mothers surname.
The new GRO Index lists illegitimate children with no mothers maiden name, if the parents were married the child would have the fathers last name and the mothers maiden name would be also be listed.

Yes it is fairly common.

ADDED
Joseph Bird Greenway had 3 daughters found so far, Mary Ann 1825, Elizabeth 1827, and Esther 1829. Anyone of them could be the mother.