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Offline BronwenS

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Latin also
« on: Thursday 23 September 21 08:15 BST (UK) »
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I have these two pieces, is the Latin roughly the same as the one in English?  Or just her marriage?

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Beatrice de Offaly was born in 1052 (Kildare, Edenderry, County Offaly, Ireland, pretty unlikely)  She married Walter FitzOther Constable of Windsor Castle 1st Feudal Baron of Eton, Buckinghamshire about 1067, in Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales.  They were the parents of at least 5 sons. She died about 1100, in England, at the age of 48.

The Chronicle of Abingdon records that "Walterus filius Oteri, castellanus de Uuildesore" restored "duas silvas…Virdelæ et Basceat, apud Winckefeld nostram villam" to the abbot of Abingdon, dated to [1100/16], and that "uxorem suam Beatricem cum filio suo Willelmo" effected the transfer 8 Sep. (Chronicon Monasterii de Abingdon, Vol. II, p. 132. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#_To...
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Re: Latin also
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 September 21 08:39 BST (UK) »
It says that William Walter (sorry, typo) was the son of Otto and names one of their sons, William. It also names two woods they own next to their house in Winkfield.
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Re: Latin also
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 September 21 08:45 BST (UK) »
Great thank you very much.

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Re: Latin also
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 September 21 12:07 BST (UK) »
It says that William was the son of Otto

Just to be clear, it is Walter who was the son of Otho. Here he is ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_FitzOther

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Re: Latin also
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 September 21 20:40 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Bookbox, I hadn't got that far with googling his name.  But I had seen somewhere that her name was not Beatrice but Gladys.

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Re: Latin also
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 September 21 23:01 BST (UK) »
I had another look at this with the info on the man.  I see they don't have her surname as Offaly but  Gladys ap Conwyn so perhaps I am up the garden path again, been there many times. 

It is this family that I am interessted in  Sir William Offley 1400 and somewhere I read the possibility that Beatrice or Agnes may have been an earlier Offley.

Beautiful warm spring day here in Otautahi / Christchurch, Aotearoa, today, gardening will be part of the day.

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Re: Latin also
« Reply #6 on: Friday 24 September 21 09:43 BST (UK) »
At that date surnames as we understand them hadn't developed. The apparent surname de Somewhere  usually meant that they lived, or owned, or tenanted, that place. The apparent surname ap Someone is son of Someone, or occasionaly daughter of Someone. More recent Welsh usage is verch Someone meaning daughter of Someone

...which all goes to make sorting out early genealogy very difficult and confusing!
Simons Barrett Jaffray Waugh Langdale Heugh Meade Garnsey Evans Vazie Mountcure Glascodine Parish Peard Smart Dobbie Sinclair....
in Stirlingshire, Roxburghshire; Bucks; Devon; Somerset; Northumberland; Carmarthenshire; Glamorgan

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Re: Latin also
« Reply #7 on: Friday 24 September 21 10:47 BST (UK) »
Thanks Graham.
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh