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Re: Thomas Livermore born 1787
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 26 September 21 16:33 BST (UK) »
My husband is a Livermore with paper trail through male line back to Robert Livermore b abt 1603. His autosomal DNA  links him to lots of other Livermore descendants including a descendant of your Thomas's brother William (1791).
But as his ancestors at that time were from a small area of the country where Livermores were plentiful, this could be a co-incidence and his actual genetic link is to a different ancestor. That was why I had done some previous research and was looking again at records I had already viewed.

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: Thomas Livermore born 1787
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 26 September 21 17:06 BST (UK) »
That's fascinating.  And needs a follow-up.
But Sainsbury's has just delivered and the Rayburn must be lit and the evening in encroaching.  Thank you LizzieL, until tomorrow.

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Re: Thomas Livermore born 1787
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 28 September 21 15:54 BST (UK) »
This has been an enormously encouraging start to my searches, thank you so much LizzieL, especially to know there are recorded descendants of Thomas Livermore's siblings.  As explained in my personal message, my back-to-front quest is to find whether our part of the family carries UK Livermore DNA.  I now need to register with an appropriate DNA company.  If that results in matches from Thomas's siblings then we are descended from Thomas.  If none then our feelings that we are not may be correct, opening a whole new field of search.

I've become fond of Thomas, I've had sudden and strong feelings recently that he was a caring man.  Does anyone else ever have feelings about the people they're researching?


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Re: Thomas Livermore born 1787
« Reply #21 on: Monday 04 October 21 11:58 BST (UK) »
I've been looking into the children of James Livermore and Eleanor Buttell / Buttle
In Reply#9, I had the following baptisms all at Little Abington
Susanna bapt 29 Jan 1786
Ann bapt 15 Mar 1789 possible burial 30 May 1790 at L Ab (transcript says age 0, but would be just over 1)
William bapt 21 Apr 1791 (can't find a burial)
Elizabeth bapt 6 Jan 1793
William bapt 3 May 1795
Sarah 13 May 1798

I have found the following marriages
Susanna Livermore in L Ab on 8 Aug 1808 to Samuel Burn
Sarah Livermore to Thomas Keath in L Ab on 23 Sep 1820
William Livermore (of L Ab) to Elizabeth Bright widow (of Linton) at Linton 9 Feb 1823 (this might be Banns date.

Censuses
Little Abington 1841
Thomas and Sarah Keath with Charles 1821, Henry 1824, William 1828 Harriet 1832, Daniel 1837.
1851 has Thaomas and Sarah and younger two children, and confirms Sarah's birthplace as L Ab

Hildesham, Linton 1841
William 47 occ Bailiff b Cambs
Elizabeth 47 b Cambs

Linton 1851
William 55 (1796) Farmer b L Ab
Mary Ann 35 (1815) wife b Garboldisham, Norfolk

1861 has William and Mary Ann and daughter Eleanor Ann age 9 b Linton.

There's a 54 year old Elizabeth Livermore buried in Linton on 17 Jan 1849, which could be William's first wife.
William Livermore s/o James married Marianne Cooke (d/o James) at Hildersham on 20 June 1850.

I haven't found Samuel and Susanna Burn yet.

Death for Ellinor Livermore Linton RD Q2 1841 age 84 would fit with her living with William after being widowed. Annoyingly just before 1841 census.
James Livermore buried L Ab 27 Feb 1838 age 74 (b abt 1764) fits with illeg son of Ann.
Ann might have subsequently married and had further children.


Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: Thomas Livermore born 1787
« Reply #22 on: Monday 04 October 21 12:11 BST (UK) »
Looks like Burn could be Bunn, death for Samuel Bunn in Great Ab in 1833 (BT has Burn)
1851 in Gt Ab, Susanna Bunn wid 68 b Lt Ab, pauper and daughter Lucy 22 dressmaker
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: Thomas Livermore born 1787
« Reply #23 on: Monday 04 October 21 12:21 BST (UK) »
Lucy Bunn bapt 14 Oct 1827 d/o Samuel and Susanna at G Abington, she had 6 older siblings
Frederick 30 dec 1810
Charles 31 may 1812
William 13 Aug 1815
Harriet 12 jan 1817
James 5 oct 1823
Jemima 21 may 1826
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: Thomas Livermore born 1787
« Reply #24 on: Monday 04 October 21 12:44 BST (UK) »
possible for Ann mother of James (1764)
Ann Livermoor bapt L Ab 14 Oct 1744 d/o Thomas and Ann
possible marriage
Ann married Charles Stinton L Ab 1 Sep 1771

several children born to the couple
William 1771  Great Ab buried 19 Jan 1772 s/o Charles and Ann
Thomas 1773 L Ab
William 1776 L Ab
Charles 1778 L Ab buried 12 Oct 1778 age 0
Ann 1781 L Ab twin
Charles 1781 L Ab twin
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: Thomas Livermore born 1787
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 05 October 21 16:54 BST (UK) »
LizzieL, thank you so much, that's an amazing amount of research and will be a huge help to my search.
I don't suppose you remember whether your husband's autosomal DNA linked him with any Australian Livermore's?

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Re: Thomas Livermore born 1787
« Reply #26 on: Monday 18 October 21 11:43 BST (UK) »
"I've become fond of Thomas, I've had sudden and strong feelings recently that he was a caring man."

Given that he tried to murder my ggggg-grandmother, Mary, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Maybe you should look into all the crimes he committed after being transported too.