Author Topic: Can anyone help find more on this William cordiner drowning  (Read 390 times)

Offline ryan37

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,111
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Can anyone help find more on this William cordiner drowning
« on: Wednesday 29 September 21 13:18 BST (UK) »
SEAMAN DROWNED AT MIDDLESBROUGH

- from - the north eastern daily gazette - 24 March 1897




Yesterday a man named William Cordiner (24) able seaman on board ss Horden, at present lying at Williams' Wharf, lost his life whilst attempting to board his ship. It appears that Hy Goodman, able seaman on board the same vessel, whilst keeping watch onboard, saw the deceased coming along the wharf from opposite the ship's stern to about midship. There was a light on the gangway, and the vessel lay about ten feet from the wharf. He spoke to the deceased, and told him to be careful. The deceased apparently slipped off the wharf, and fell into the river between the wharf and the ship. Goodman saw him fall, and saw the splash in the water. He shouted, and threw a rope down to where the deceased fell, but he did not see him rise again. He called the chief mate, Wm Crighton, who reported the occurrance at the police office. Grappling irons were got, and the body was recovered at 2:15 am to-day, and was conveyed to the Mortuary.



Can anyone find more on this

Please note the newspaper cutting named William George instead so I have edited that - it was definetly William ,
He was my great grandfathers uncle

Iím interested to see if anyone can find info or a photo of SS HORDEN ,

And also we were told that William had a baby or twins to a local woman of Middlesbrough, I have no idea how to find out if when born if they were given the surname cordiner ?

Any help or clues to this incident would be appreciated

Ryan


Online Girl Guide

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,593
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Can anyone help find more on this William cordiner drowning
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 September 21 14:32 BST (UK) »
I see from his marine death registration that he came from Peterhead in Scotland.  I wondered why I couldn't find his birth on the GRO.

I can't find any record of Cordiner births in Middlesborough between 1885 and 1897.  If there were any children and William wasn't married, then they would more than likely be registered under the mother's surname.  With no knowledge of her name it would be virtually impossible to locate them.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

Offline sgf28

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,432
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Can anyone help find more on this William cordiner drowning
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 September 21 16:44 BST (UK) »
East Aberdeenshire Advertiser 30 March 1897

'Peterhead - Sad death of a Seaman.
News was received in Peterhead last week by his parents of the drowning at Middlesbrough of William Cordiner, a sailor and the son of Mr James Cordiner (Bottles), Port Henry Road, Peterhead. It appears that Cordiner's vessel arrived in Middlesbrough on Monday and on the following evening, Cordiner who had been walking on the Wharf, slipped and fell into the water and was drowned. Deceased who was a promising young man had arrived at Middlesbrough after a three months voyage to America. He was only 24 years of age and this was his first lengthy absence from home. He was unmarried. Great sympathy is felt for his parents in Peterhead.'


Offline ryan37

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,111
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Can anyone help find more on this William cordiner drowning
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 September 21 18:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks folks for the information

The news of the child came many years later unfortunately probably too late for connections to be made , maybe just passed down from person to person
Probably a lot harder to find with no marriage and no name of mother it makes it like a needle in a haystack to find it
Thank you all

Would I be ok to start a new post regarding the SS HORDEN ?

Ryan

Ryan

Offline GR2

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,658
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Can anyone help find more on this William cordiner drowning
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 September 21 20:26 BST (UK) »
I have tracked the SS Horden through 1896 and to March 1897:

1896:

February 7 - Horden (SS), West Hartlepool, Careful, BILBAO, 996 (19 men) - Maclay & M'Intyre 1800 tons iron ore - Wm. Jacks & Co.

February 14 - arrived Barry Dock - Horden, Clyde.

February 18 - sailed from Barry Dock - Horden SS, Las Palmas.
February 19 - cleared for sailing Cardiff - Teneriffe or Las Palmas, Horden SS, B. 1800 coal

July 28 - Horden SS, at Kiel from Tyne.

August 27 - Horden SS, passed St Catherine's Point for West.

September 19 - outwards - for Algiers, Horden SS, B, 1262, Tritton, J & C Harrison

November 23 - arrived Barry Dock, Horden SS, Southampton.

1897:

January 2 - Horden SS, at Bilbao from Rotterdam.

January 20 - Horden SS, at Rotterdam.

January 28 - Horden SS, at Bilbao  from Rotterdam

February 14 - Horden SS, at Bilbao from Tees.

February 19 - Horden SS, at Middlesborough from Bilbao.

March 2 - Horden SS, left Tyne for Bilbao.

March 24 - Horden SS, at Middlesborough from Bilbao.


If he had sailed to America, it must have been on a different ship.


Offline ryan37

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,111
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Can anyone help find more on this William cordiner drowning
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 September 21 21:11 BST (UK) »
Wow thatís amazing info

Iam I reading correct it was carrying 1800 tonnes of coal?

Is their any resources to find a photo of this vessel ?

Thanks so much for looking for that info

Ryan


Offline GR2

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,658
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Can anyone help find more on this William cordiner drowning
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 September 21 21:19 BST (UK) »
It will be 1800 tons of coal. I just entered SS Horden in a newspaper index and those reports came up. I just Googled it and found a page with details of its career, which I will paste in below.

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/ropner.shtml

Offline Isabel H

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,348
    • View Profile
Re: Can anyone help find more on this William cordiner drowning
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 September 21 23:35 BST (UK) »
East Aberdeenshire Advertiser 30 March 1897

'Peterhead - Sad death of a Seaman.
News was received in Peterhead last week by his parents of the drowning at Middlesbrough of William Cordiner, a sailor and the son of Mr James Cordiner (Bottles), Port Henry Road, Peterhead. It appears that Cordiner's vessel arrived in Middlesbrough on Monday and on the following evening, Cordiner who had been walking on the Wharf, slipped and fell into the water and was drowned. Deceased who was a promising young man had arrived at Middlesbrough after a three months voyage to America. He was only 24 years of age and this was his first lengthy absence from home. He was unmarried. Great sympathy is felt for his parents in Peterhead.'

The Aberdeen Press and Journal 31 March 1897 has the same account with this addition:

The sad event was not long in getting abroad among the fishing community, and when Cordiner's father sailed in the trader Sweet Home yesterday evening in order to bring home the remains of his son, a large company of sympathisers witnessed his departure.
GRAY - Inveresk; Lanarkshire
LINDSAY - Lanarkshire
PURDIE - Lanarkshire; W. Lothian
POZZI - Elgin; Lancashire
MACKENZIE, MORISON - Isle of Lewis
ARCHIBALD, HAY, HUNTER, SNADDON - Clackmannanshire
COXON, HALL, JACKSON, SHOTTON - Northumberland

Offline GR2

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,658
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Can anyone help find more on this William cordiner drowning
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 30 September 21 00:00 BST (UK) »
The Sweet Home was due to leave Peterhead for Aberdeen at 10 a.m. on 30th March. If the newspaper article is correct, it must have left later. It returned from Aberdeen to Peterhead with a cargo of goods next day, so William Cordiner's father must have travelled on from Aberdeen on another vessel.