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John Joseph George Thomas
« on: Wednesday 29 September 21 13:23 BST (UK) »
I have John Joseph George Thomas birth cert born 1886 and death notice from Merchant navy saying he died 1940 in Villa Constitucion in Argentina. 
I have hit a brick wall because this man would change his name.  Sometimes he was Charles Walters.
I have found a whole family in Australia that we did not know about.
I can not find out how he got to Australia or how he left.
If he really did die in hospital after being put off his ship.
How to find his grave if he did.
He has my family in UK and the other in Australia!
So I thought I would put his name out there on the off chance someone would know of him.  Or even for some tips on how to find a person who obviously didn't want to be found for whatever reason.

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Re: John Joseph George Thomas
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 September 21 17:51 BST (UK) »
As you have his birth cert - where was he born & what were his parents names & mothers maiden name
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Re: John Joseph George Thomas
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 September 21 19:56 BST (UK) »
Some more details here, Carole, from a previous post www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=796915.0

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Re: John Joseph George Thomas
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 September 21 20:09 BST (UK) »
A Merchant Seamans’ record on FindMyPast shows Charles Walters (born 1889 London) officially changed his name back to John Joseph George Thomas on 1 May 1940.  As proof he produced his birth cert dated 25 March 1886 London.   The record also states he “died in local hospital” on (looks like) 20 July 1940.

BIRTH: John Joseph G THOMAS Poplar, London 2Q Vol: 1C Page: 618, mmn KITTS

There is a John J G Thomas, single, with corresponding birth date recorded at Chertsey Surrey in 1939 working in an Airline Factory.

How did he get to Argentina, I wonder

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Re: John Joseph George Thomas
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 September 21 22:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks Monica

I have asked the moderator to merge posts to save duplication of info/efforts
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Re: John Joseph George Thomas
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 October 21 07:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for taking time to help.  I appreciate all you suggest and have found out.
I did not know about the Chertsey work place but it definitely fits with his whereabouts then.

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Re: John Joseph George Thomas
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 October 21 08:48 BST (UK) »
FindMyPast Overseas Deaths - Deaths at Sea

Ship - Dartford;  Official No. - 162500; Port of Registry - London; Date of Death - 22/7/1940; Place of Death - In hospital at Villa Constitucion; Name and Surname - John J Thomas; Sex - Male; Age - 54; Rank/Rating - Fireman and Trimmer; Nationality/Birthplace - London; Last place of Abode - S/S "Dartford"; Cause of Death - Illness, Pulminar Tuberculossis; Remarks - h.a. -  24 Addison Road, Addlesford, Surrey
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: John Joseph George Thomas
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 October 21 15:40 BST (UK) »
FindMyPast Overseas Deaths - Deaths at Sea

Ship - Dartford;  Official No. - 162500; Port of Registry - London; Date of Death - 22/7/1940; Place of Death - In hospital at Villa Constitucion; Name and Surname - John J Thomas; Sex - Male; Age - 54; Rank/Rating - Fireman and Trimmer; Nationality/Birthplace - London; Last place of Abode - S/S "Dartford"; Cause of Death - Illness, Pulminar Tuberculossis; Remarks - h.a. -  24 Addison Road, Addlesford, Surrey

Address is Addlestone, Surrey  :)
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Re: John Joseph George Thomas
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17 October 21 19:24 BST (UK) »
I stand corrected.
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.