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Offline Rishile

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James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« on: Thursday 30 September 21 14:10 BST (UK) »
Can anyone help with this please?

Harriet Pike born 1882 in Gillingham married James Venemore on 23rd September 1906 at Gillingham.  I cannot find a birth record in England for James but the marriage record says his father, George was a Baker, as was James.

In 1907 Harriet and James travelled on the Tunisian to Montreal, Canada - their destination is Quebec.  There is a note next to their names 'To Be Deported'.  What would this mean?  Does it mean James was born in Canada or in the UK?

James was born c1880 and, presumably, died between 1909 (they had a son in 1909) and 1911.  There is a James Croxford Venemore with father George in Leighton Buzzard that fits with the birth and death dates but this appears to be a red herring.  James Croxford Venemore married Minnie Frost in 1902 and it appears that Minnie died in 1904 but Harriet's James is shown as a batchelor on the marriage record in 1906.

Harriet returned to the UK in 1910 with her two children but James was not with them and I have found no other record of him returning.  In the 1911 census Harriet is shown as a widow.

If anyone could help with James's birth and/or death records it would help a lot and I would be very grateful.

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 September 21 14:22 BST (UK) »
There is a Poor Law Union Record dated 1912 showing Harriet, aged 30, widow of James, a baker, along with son Percy, aged 3 in the Medway, Kent records, admitted from Gillingham parish.  Record available on Ancestry.

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 September 21 14:28 BST (UK) »
There is a Poor Law Union Record dated 1912 showing Harriet, aged 30, widow of James, a baker, along with son Percy, aged 3 in the Medway, Kent records, admitted from Gillingham parish.  Record available on Ancestry.

Thank you Eileen - I have that record but I can't find out anything about James.  Harriet re-married in 1913.

Rishile
Stoneham - Kent / Essex / Herts / Bucks / Devon
Pike - Kent
Pay - Kent
Swan/Swaine - Herts / London
Bissenden - Kent
Chappell - Herts
Hammond - Essex


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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 30 September 21 14:29 BST (UK) »
Also, there's an online tree that shows another child named George, born in Canada, in 1907. In the 1911 census, he is living with George & Ellen Blackford, and noted as a nephew.

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 30 September 21 14:32 BST (UK) »
Where it says to be deported - maybe a red-herring -  is there a date 8  14  42 could be 14/8/1942 or just a reference number  ?

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 30 September 21 14:35 BST (UK) »
Believe it's just a reference number, although it looks like it might not have happened, as she was likely pregnant at the time, and she doesn't return to England until 1910.

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 30 September 21 14:36 BST (UK) »
Percy David Vaeneimore - Birth Date 20 Jun 1909 Hastings, Ontario, Canada
Father James Vannimore - Mother Harriet Pike
Page Number 357

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 30 September 21 14:36 BST (UK) »
Where it says to be deported - maybe a red-herring -  is there a date 8  14  42 could be 14/8/1942 or just a reference number  ?

Sandra

This appears to be a reference number rather than a date.  The date would have been 1907.

Eileen - thank you.  I have the information about her children.

Rishile
Stoneham - Kent / Essex / Herts / Bucks / Devon
Pike - Kent
Pay - Kent
Swan/Swaine - Herts / London
Bissenden - Kent
Chappell - Herts
Hammond - Essex

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 30 September 21 14:38 BST (UK) »
Sandra is one step ahead of me. Percy was born in Belleville, Ontario (in Hastings County). James is noted as a labourer and he and Harriet were married in England in 1906.