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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 30 September 21 14:52 BST (UK) »
I find no record for James' death in Hastings County in the registrations nor is there a reference in the Belleville Library's obituary index for the time period.

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 30 September 21 14:55 BST (UK) »
I find no record for James' death in Hastings County in the registrations nor is there a reference in the Belleville Library's obituary index for the time period.

Thank you for looking Eileen

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 30 September 21 15:39 BST (UK) »
Just reading through this thread and I think Rishile is wanting to know;

1. Is the James Venemore, a batchelor in 1906 when he married Harriet Pike -- the same person as James C. Venimore b in 1880, who married Minnie Frost in 1902. Then died as James C. Venemore in 1910. (He doesn't use the 'C' on his marriage to Harriet, nor on his emigration).

2. Can anyone find James Venemore returning to England? Harriet indicates she is a housewife on HER return journey in 1910 with her 2 sons. (I notice she returned in March 1910 and James C. Venemore died in Q/E March 1910.)

Why was the note 'to be deported' on their entry record in Canada?

Can anyone with Canadian expertise advise if deportation records are available anywhere? Having said that, they didn't immediately come back did they? I cannot find James coming back at all.

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 30 September 21 16:29 BST (UK) »
Just reading through this thread and I think Rishile is wanting to know;

1. Is the James Venemore, a batchelor in 1906 when he married Harriet Pike -- the same person as James C. Venimore b in 1880, who married Minnie Frost in 1902. Then died as James C. Venemore in 1910. (He doesn't use the 'C' on his marriage to Harriet, nor on his emigration).

2. Can anyone find James Venemore returning to England? Harriet indicates she is a housewife on HER return journey in 1910 with her 2 sons. (I notice she returned in March 1910 and James C. Venemore died in Q/E March 1910.)

Why was the note 'to be deported' on their entry record in Canada?

Can anyone with Canadian expertise advise if deportation records are available anywhere? Having said that, they didn't immediately come back did they? I cannot find James coming back at all.

Sorry no expertise at all but always willing to have a go  :)

1 - Perhaps the death certificate for James C Venemore in 1910 would answer your question.

2 - Unless there is another mis-spelling of the surname, ancestry had no return passenger list showing James Venemore that I have come across. Like Eileen, I could find no information on a death for James in Belleville Ontario or in Quebec Montreal.

3 - Very few files have survived relating to individual deportees. The Canadian Passenger Lists at that time held minimum information so unfortunately they don't give details of nearest relatives or next of kin left in the UK or show detailed information of where the couple were going - apart from Quebec. Going thru the remainder of the passenger list - forward and backwards I did not see an explanation given for the deportation note. I have seen these before at the end of as passenger list.

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/Pages/introduction.aspx#b

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 30 September 21 16:42 BST (UK) »
Yes - I agree the death cert may provide info.

I am making things up now -- but I wonder if James was taken ill on board ship and was in the 'sick bay' when the ship docked - and inadvertantly missed being recorded on arrival.

I can't find a list of passengers leaving Canada - only the arrival in England. Can any Hawk Eye find passenger lists leaving Canada please?
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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 30 September 21 16:55 BST (UK) »

Going thru all the pages of the passenger list, I did not see any sick bay references for passengers.

There are UK return passenger lists on ancestry, not sure what find my past have ?

Library and Archives Canada

The Government of Canada did not keep records of people leaving the country; there are no passenger lists for departures from Canadian ports.

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/Pages/introduction.aspx

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 30 September 21 17:10 BST (UK) »
Sandra you are a mine of information.

 I have been reading the list of deportees, for which you provided a link - it's awful of me, but I found it quite funny. Reading the list, you get the impression that a whole lot of insane people must have infiltrated Canada at various times!

I have checked both Find My Past and Ancestry - but cannot find James returning.

A mystery. With Harriet describing herself as a Housewife on her return journey - it tends to imply she is still married at that point.
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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 30 September 21 17:21 BST (UK) »
Did you notice that on some passenger lists and border entry lists, there is a file number written beside a personís name. Those individual files were destroyed, and only a small sample of files was retained.  The files relating to individual deportees only started in 1908.

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 30 September 21 17:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you for clarifying the questions Pennines.  You are a godsend.

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