Author Topic: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore  (Read 1267 times)

Offline Rishile

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #27 on: Friday 01 October 21 08:38 BST (UK) »
Thank you bbart.  Strangely, I was thinking about this as I was about to come on-line and wondering if she brought the body back to the UK. 

Thank you for your input and a different slant on the story.

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #28 on: Friday 01 October 21 08:40 BST (UK) »
I don't think a UK death certificate wouldn't have been issued if James died in Canada.

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #29 on: Friday 01 October 21 14:09 BST (UK) »
In addition Harriet had indicated herself as 'Housewife' on arrival back in Britain. If James had already died - would she have done that? Or am I picking on a word again as I seemingly did with 'bachelor' maybe? bbart - I agree with you about the James Venemore's birth being at the same time as James C. Venemore. Also - his father is named George - as is James C. Venemore's father.

I certainly was NOT suggesting that because his marriage cert to Harriet states Bachelor - it meant that he wasn't the same person. The fact that he drops the 'C' on his second marriage and his emigration is a nuisance also. My apologies bbart if I have come across as suggesting that they are definitely 2 different people. That was not my intention.

I did look if I could find 'Deaths at Sea' actually -- I am sure I have found such a dataset before - but I couldn't this time - I think I am missing it, unless it's just in the Military set. Possibly I am just brain dead again.
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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #30 on: Friday 01 October 21 15:44 BST (UK) »
If you go thru the other pages on the passenger list March 1910, no deaths were recorded.  Page 7.

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #31 on: Friday 01 October 21 15:56 BST (UK) »
Oh thank you Sandra -- I never knew that information was recorded for voyage details. How very useful.
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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #32 on: Friday 01 October 21 19:45 BST (UK) »
Pennines, no apology!  In Rishile's opening post, it seemed the word "bachelor" was eliminating a possible candidate.  I wasn't meaning at all to reference anything you said!
And Sandra, it does seems odd to not have a death reg in Canada; I am wondering if that "to be deported" had anything to do with Harriett registering him or not.

I understand Rishile not wanting to get the death reg for the 1910 Bedford fellow as he is not in her direct line, but my curiosity has gotten the better of me, so I have ordered a pdf copy.  (Yes, yes, curiosity killed the cat, but whatever!) It's more for myself to prove or disprove the trail I was following.

I think it said four days to arrive, so stay tuned!

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #33 on: Friday 01 October 21 20:47 BST (UK) »
Oh bbart -- I am so glad you have ordered it, I was tempted to do that myself, as I was so very curious about this case - with it's bits of anonomolies and Harriet coming back with the boys. No James. Then a death of James C. registered in his home Reg. Dist. the same quarter she returns.

It was quite fascinating.

You are a star!!
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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #34 on: Friday 01 October 21 21:20 BST (UK) »
I was just thinking the same thing ... we genealogists can't stand an unsolved mystery!

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Re: James Venemore and Harriet Pike/Venemore
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 03 October 21 20:31 BST (UK) »
Thank you for ordering the certificate bbart.  This line of my family is so large - Harriet was one of 16 children.  As Harriet is not my direct line, I have to stop somewhere when it comes to certificates.

Thank you again
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Stoneham - Kent / Essex / Herts / Bucks / Devon
Pike - Kent
Pay - Kent
Swan/Swaine - Herts / London
Bissenden - Kent
Chappell - Herts
Hammond - Essex