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Re: Can anybody throw any light on this unidentified mounted (WWI?) soldier ?
« Reply #54 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 08:42 BST (UK) »
Who do you think the mounted soldier might be? Do you have some names in mind?

We have no idea.

The photo belonged to the chap mentioned in Was it common for a man to serve in two different regiments ?, but my distant relative says it's not him in the photo.
Most roots researched back to the early/mid 1800s. Years noted as 'pre' refer to my direct ancestors, although I'm interested in any relatives:
Mitchelstown, Co.Cork: CORBETT (pre1935), SWEENEY  (pre1935), CUSACK? (pre1894), KEYS? (pre1894)
Mallow, Co.Cork: BROWNE (1895-1935)
Caher, Co.Tipp: BROWNE (pre1895), PURTELL(pre1895)
Cashel, Co.Tipp: FANNING (pre1886)
Llanelly, Carms: GRIFFITHS (pre1934), REYNOLDS (pre1901), WILLIAMS (pre1934)
Ton Pentre, Glams: LEWIS (pre1901)

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Re: Can anybody throw any light on this unidentified mounted (WWI?) soldier ?
« Reply #55 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 10:28 BST (UK) »
It's just been pointed out to me that the RGA had mounted troops, drivers, but nobody's suggested them or ruled them out. So could there be an RGA connection ?

And just to reiterate the main question from the first two posts, which hasn't yet addressed,

"I'm specifically wondering how much it is possible to tell [about the mounted chap] simply from his uniform and equipment."

and

"The sort of things I'm wondering include:

Is it possible to tell whether it's the Boer War, WWI, post WWI, or one of the other conflicts around that time period?

Is it possible to tell whether he's cavalry, artillery (driver), mounted infantry, or yeomanry ( I believe, possibly incorrectly, that the yeomanry was the mounted arm of the volunteer force, which became the TA)?"
Most roots researched back to the early/mid 1800s. Years noted as 'pre' refer to my direct ancestors, although I'm interested in any relatives:
Mitchelstown, Co.Cork: CORBETT (pre1935), SWEENEY  (pre1935), CUSACK? (pre1894), KEYS? (pre1894)
Mallow, Co.Cork: BROWNE (1895-1935)
Caher, Co.Tipp: BROWNE (pre1895), PURTELL(pre1895)
Cashel, Co.Tipp: FANNING (pre1886)
Llanelly, Carms: GRIFFITHS (pre1934), REYNOLDS (pre1901), WILLIAMS (pre1934)
Ton Pentre, Glams: LEWIS (pre1901)

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Re: Can anybody throw any light on this unidentified mounted (WWI?) soldier ?
« Reply #56 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 10:39 BST (UK) »
The rifle ... Lee-Enfield Mk 3 dates it to WWI.   Cannot be earlier than 1913. 

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Re: Can anybody throw any light on this unidentified mounted (WWI?) soldier ?
« Reply #57 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 10:43 BST (UK) »
Good point Tonepad.

 :) I  wonder if the rifle has been identified....   a variety of rifles were used in WWI .... 

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Re: Can anybody throw any light on this unidentified mounted (WWI?) soldier ?
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 10:45 BST (UK) »
The complete photo shows a more typical British landscape than Macedonian (harsh and arid).
There is a typical British hedgerow running through the photo in the middle distance.

The middle standing chap's clothing is not Serbian. He is wearing a British waistcoat with a V-neck, unfastened. He is not wearing a Serbian Hat.

British soldiers with waistcoats attending to horses:

https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/british-army-horses-during-first-world-war


The photo was possibly taken at a summer training camp before WW1 started in Aug 1914:

https://www.porthcawlandthegreatwar.com/1912---1914.html

Notice more soldiers wearing waistcoats.


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For what it's worth, agree with this 100 %

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Re: Can anybody throw any light on this unidentified mounted (WWI?) soldier ?
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 10:46 BST (UK) »
A Forage cap is worn on the right-hand side of the head, so I think this man is bare-headed.

The rifle appears to be a Lee-Enfield Mk 3 (hardly any barrel protrusion beyond the woodwork), used during WW1.

Added: 'un-British embroidered decoration on the waistcoat (his left side)' - I think this is just a crease in the photo, it continues down over the horse's flank.
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Re: Can anybody throw any light on this unidentified mounted (WWI?) soldier ?
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 11:17 BST (UK) »
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Is it possible to tell whether it's the Boer War, WWI, post WWI, or one of the other conflicts around that time period?

I did address that in reply #4
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Re: Can anybody throw any light on this unidentified mounted (WWI?) soldier ?
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 11:30 BST (UK) »
Looking at the Rifle Holster, the type on the original photo is consistent with the Yeomanry.
Regular cavalry like the Hussars used leather bucket holsters.

https://www.hungerfordvirtualmuseum.co.uk/index.php/10-themes/654-berkshire-yeomanry

https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/20th-hussars


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Re: Can anybody throw any light on this unidentified mounted (WWI?) soldier ?
« Reply #62 on: Thursday 14 October 21 03:40 BST (UK) »
After looking at many photos of Lee Enfield rifles I've only just realized that the mounted chap has a very short sling on his rifle. It's attached to two points near the front instead of the usual front and rear. Every photo I've seen has either no sling or a long sling attached at front and rear.

Edit: Ah ! I've just noticed that the "mounted tpr offside home 1914" picture on tonepad's Hungerford Museum/Berkshire Yeomanry link (previous post) has a rather similar short sling, the only matching one I've seen. Here's the direct link

Most roots researched back to the early/mid 1800s. Years noted as 'pre' refer to my direct ancestors, although I'm interested in any relatives:
Mitchelstown, Co.Cork: CORBETT (pre1935), SWEENEY  (pre1935), CUSACK? (pre1894), KEYS? (pre1894)
Mallow, Co.Cork: BROWNE (1895-1935)
Caher, Co.Tipp: BROWNE (pre1895), PURTELL(pre1895)
Cashel, Co.Tipp: FANNING (pre1886)
Llanelly, Carms: GRIFFITHS (pre1934), REYNOLDS (pre1901), WILLIAMS (pre1934)
Ton Pentre, Glams: LEWIS (pre1901)