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James Fitzgerald, born c1780, Liverpool
« on: Friday 08 October 21 11:54 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone,

Mary Fitzgerald was the fourth g grandmother of my husband.  She was born on 14 February 1802 and baptised at St Mary's RC Church, Liverpool on 21 February 1802.  It shows her father as James Fitzgerald and mother Helen.

I'd really like to find the marriage of James and Helen to find her surname. 

It would appear that St Mary's was founded in 1707 and records are at the Liverpool Records Office, but I can't work out how to access.

Can anyone help?

Thanks :-)

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Re: James Fitzgerald, born c1780, Liverpool
« Reply #1 on: Friday 08 October 21 12:02 BST (UK) »
Ancestry have Liverpool RC marriages from 1754, but I can't readily see an entry for James Fitzgerald and Helen
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Re: James Fitzgerald, born c1780, Liverpool
« Reply #2 on: Friday 08 October 21 12:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks.  Both names are shown on Mary's baptism and I'd hoped they had married around the same area.  Mary married Robert Beattie in St Peter's, Liverpool (not RC I think) in 1823 and I think married again to William Dawson in St Nicholas, Liverpool. 


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Re: James Fitzgerald, born c1780, Liverpool
« Reply #3 on: Friday 08 October 21 12:39 BST (UK) »
The early RC Liverpool records were from Recusant families then as time went on more and more Irish people appear in the records. They could be both Irish and have married in Ireland or he might be Irish and she English. The absence of a local marriage suggests they married in Ireland. One of my ancestors was Irish married a local RC in the C of E church as they did back then and later baptised their children in the RC.

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Re: James Fitzgerald, born c1780, Liverpool
« Reply #4 on: Friday 08 October 21 12:55 BST (UK) »
How interesting, Blue.  Thanks. 

Are there Irish records?  Helen doesn't sound like a particularly Irish or RC name ...

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Re: James Fitzgerald, born c1780, Liverpool
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 October 21 06:36 BST (UK) »
Thanks.  Both names are shown on Mary's baptism and I'd hoped they had married around the same area.  Mary married Robert Beattie in St Peter's, Liverpool (not RC I think) in 1823 and I think married again to William Dawson in St Nicholas, Liverpool.

Marriage: 29 Sep 1823 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Robert Beaty - Bricklayer, the Parish of Liverpool
Mary Fitzgerald - (X), Spinster, same Parish
    Witness: Edw. Parr; Robert Johnson
    Married by Banns by: T. Kidd, Curate
    Register: Marriages 1821 - 1823, Page 252, Entry 290
    Source: LDS Film 93917
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Baptism: 31 May 1829 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Margaret Beaty - [Child] of Robert Beaty & Mary
    Abode: Dawson Street
    Occupation: Bricklayer
    Baptised by: William Tyrer, Offg. Minister
    Register: Baptisms 1828 - 1829, Page 339, Entry 2709
    Source: LDS Film 93877
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just to let you know both records are spelt Beaty...
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Re: James Fitzgerald, born c1780, Liverpool
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 09 October 21 07:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks garstonite,

Robert Beaty's father was named as Batty yet all Robert & Mary Fitzgerald's children were Beattie apart from Margaret which was Beatty.

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Re: James Fitzgerald, born c1780, Liverpool
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 09 October 21 20:35 BST (UK) »
Mary married Robert Beattie in St Peter's, Liverpool (not RC I think) in 1823 and I think married again to William Dawson in St Nicholas, Liverpool.

List of churches in Liverpool Central
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool-Central/index.html
There were 2 St. Peter churches, Anglican and Catholic.
Everyone except Jews and Quakers had to marry in C. of E. until 1837. Some Catholics had an additional religious wedding ceremony in a Catholic church.
Added. The marriage was at St. Peter C. of E.
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