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Does anyone know what this word is in the Will (Welsh)
« on: Saturday 09 October 21 00:42 BST (UK) »
Hi
I have got a copy of a Will for a Richard Davies who died in 1846, his will says that he left his son William of Llettyrinen or something like that.

Please view the attached image and the word is highlighted.

Similar looking word 'the final colliery Lletty Shenkin (Aberdare, Glamorgan) closed in 1922' or it can be wrote as Llettyshenkin.

Maybe the word I am looking for is the name of an Colliery...

Thanks

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Re: Does anyone know what this word is in the Will (Welsh)
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 October 21 09:02 BST (UK) »
Could be Llettyrissen

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Re: Does anyone know what this word is in the Will (Welsh)
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 October 21 09:24 BST (UK) »
The closest to a Welsh word would be Lletyriwen.
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Re: Does anyone know what this word is in the Will (Welsh)
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 October 21 09:29 BST (UK) »
Putting Lletyriwen in Google produces links  to the Tithe maps and Welsh newspapers*.

* add - somewhere in this notice-

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3324965

and
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Farm Name, Lettyriwen. Landowner, Davies David. Occupier, Davies David ... Farm Name, Lettyriwen. Landowner, Davies David.


https://places.library.wales/search/51.896/-4.168/13?alt=*%3A*&page=1&refine=&alt=*%3A*&order=desc&sort=score&rows=100&parish_facet%5B%5D=Llanegwad&leaflet-base-layers_98=on
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Re: Does anyone know what this word is in the Will (Welsh)
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 October 21 12:38 BST (UK) »
Using Gadget's excellent newspaper find, which mentions " ... an allotment of Court Henry Common ..."  you can see "Lletty'r ywen" on this map.   

https://maps.nls.uk/view/102179276

It's on the eastern edge - on a level with the capital "L" of Llangathen (printed vertically).
My googling had thrown " ...Llettyriwen in the Parish of Llanfynydd ..." and mentioned "Glandulas" 
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Does anyone know what this word is in the Will (Welsh)
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 October 21 13:30 BST (UK) »
Checking Tithe maps under "Llettyr'ywen" I can see -

The Parish of Llanfihangel Aberbythych
Apportionemnt
Landowner - Earl of Cawdor
Occupier - William Davies
Plan No - 40
Description - Lletty'r ywen, Lands and Buildings
Statute Measure - 27 A(cres) 20 P(erches)
Tithe Value - 10d

Yet to check Tithe map
 
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Does anyone know what this word is in the Will (Welsh)
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 09 October 21 14:09 BST (UK) »
The Lletty'r ywen that "fits" the William Davies on the Tithe Map is -
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102179564

Top right hand corner - just east of Golden Grove
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Does anyone know what this word is in the Will (Welsh)
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 09 October 21 14:12 BST (UK) »
Good that you're following up HT, as I'm trying to get used to new reading glasses  :-X
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Re: Does anyone know what this word is in the Will (Welsh)
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 09 October 21 14:32 BST (UK) »
Checking "Tithe maps" always a real pleasure.
cjc1867 - if you want to check out the Tithe Maps  https://places.library.wales

Put "lletty'r ywen" (include the "   " as part of key - important) in Search. Returns 3 hits

Click on "View Apportionment" for No.3.
Then play about with clicking on "View map" or "Tithe Map Overlay" or "Satellite" etc.

Pob lwc
 
 
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.