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Latin Codicil 1705
« on: Tuesday 12 October 21 06:25 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Another Latin script in a 1705 Bond..

I think it says that Daniel Williams is the father and closest relative of Thomas Williams deceased.

Or maybe brother?

I would like to know...

Thanks!

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Re: Latin Codicil 1705
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 12 October 21 10:06 BST (UK) »
The deceased is John Williams (not Thomas).

The issue is whether the word in line 2 is pater or frater. On close comparison with other known words starting with p and f, and words including fr, I would go for pater (father). Others may think differently.

Daniel Williams
, esquire, the natural and lawful father and next blood relative of John Williams, gentleman, who died intestate, has appeared personally and of his own volition has renounced and utterly rejected letters of administration for John’s estate.

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Re: Latin Codicil 1705
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 12 October 21 18:43 BST (UK) »
Thanks again Bookbox!

Here is a bit more of the Bond, that might help... I think it is the original codicil.

Best regards!

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Re: Latin Codicil 1705
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 October 21 19:15 BST (UK) »
Yes, it helps, thank you. I still think Daniel is the father.

In this second extract, lines 4-5 of the Latin ...

... sup(er) renunciaci(onem) Daniel(is) Williams ar(migeri) p(at)ris
n(atu)ralis & l(egi)timi ejusd(em) defunct(i) ...


The key word, at the end of line 4, is written pris with a suspension mark above. This is a standard abbreviation for patris (= of the father), found frequently in religious contexts. I don't see any way this could read fratris (= of the brother).

26 May 1705
Let there be administration of the goods, rights and credits of John Williams, gentleman, deceased, to Catherine Games, spinster, aunt and next relative of the said deceased, upon the renunciation of Daniel Williams, esquire, the natural and lawful father of the same deceased ...

ADDED - The implication, then, is that John died young, survived by his father Daniel and by his aunt (the Latin here is avuncula, usually meaning ‘maternal aunt’).

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Re: Latin Codicil 1705
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 October 21 22:59 BST (UK) »
Hello Bookbox!

Wonderful!!

Many many thanks!

Llanfi  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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