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John Peter Burns
« on: Wednesday 13 October 21 04:37 BST (UK) »
I am trying to research my Grandmother's first husband.  She was Agnes Urie McDougall who married John Peter Burns in Sydney in 1896.   Their daughter was born in April 1897 but only lived 7 weeks.  They were divorced in 1900.
According to John Peter Burn's death transcript, he died in November 1942 in the Municipality of Alexandria and was buried in the RC section, Rookwood, 7 Nov 1942.
Again, on his Death Transcript, it says his Spouse was Margaret Flanagan. However, I cannot find a marriage for him to Margaret.  At his death, children of the marriage shows Theresa aged 32, Living and 2 females deceased.  If alive now, she would be 111.  I have found a birth of a Theresa in 1910 to a mother Margaret but no father mentioned.  Also 3 other girls whose mother was Margaret and no father's name given.  I am therefore wondering if in fact John Peter Burns did actually marry Margaret Flanagan.  John's "age at marriage" is shown as 35.  Interesting that his Death shows him as being Roman Catholic as when he married my Grandmother previously, they married at the Manse of the Congregational Minister in Sydney.
John Peter Burns was born in Illinois, USA.
Any help would be appreciated but I realise it is a long shot!
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Re: John Peter Burns
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 04:55 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Some questions if I may....

Does that d.c. show any details about his marriage to Agnes, if so, please confirm what is recorded on that transcription. 

How certain are you that the chap who died in 1942 had been previously married to Agnes?  Her grounds for divorce seem to show a serious flaw in his behaviour. 
 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230647603 Australian Star 29 August 1900
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230642841 Aust. Star 4 Sept 1900
Decree Absolute https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14360771 SMH 11 Oct 1900


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Re: John Peter Burns
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 05:13 BST (UK) »
Parents' names are given for him on the NSW BMD index.  I'm assuming that you have these parent names from his birth or from his marriage?

 Death registered at Redfern. 1942 #29778
John Peter BURNS
Parents: Laurence, Catherine

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DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: John Peter Burns
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 October 21 09:10 BST (UK) »
Wondering?... NSW marriages
60/1900 Margaret FLANAGAN and Thomas DUNN; Sydney
7281/1919 Margaret DUNN and John BYRNES; Sydney

The Daily Telegraph 28 Jun 1934 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/246444357
I, JOHN PETER BURNS, known as Byrnes, of American nationality, born at Illinois, and resident fifty-five years in Australia, now residing at 237a Henderson Road, Alexandria, intend to apply for naturalisation under the Nationality Act, 1920-30.

https://www.naa.gov.au/explore-collection
John Peter BURNS (BUYRNES) - Naturalization (can request a copy for a fee)

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Re: John Peter Burns
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 October 21 00:52 BST (UK) »
Brilliant find, cupoflife!

Given the marriage for Margaret Flanagan to Thomas Dunn there's this birth which, perhaps, is the Theresa listed in John Burns death certificate.

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1910 #347, registered Sydney
Theresa M DUNN
only parent listed: Margaret

There are births and deaths for these female children which may fit with the two deceased children shown on that death certificate.
All registered Sydney, all with only mother shown - Margaret
Birth 1908 #31918 Margaret A DUNN
Death 1909 #145 Margaret A DUNN

Birth 1907 #20783 Mary M DUNN
Death 1907 #7479 Mary M DUNN

Speculation only: Perhaps Margaret had to wait for a divorce or the death of Thomas DUNN before she could marry John.  It would seem unlikely, given that no father is named for any of the children, that Thomas DUNN was their father??

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Re: John Peter Burns
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 October 21 01:21 BST (UK) »
Quite a lot of existing information on this thread last year

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=839715.msg7056655#msg7056655

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