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Re: GERMANY Help with Karl Fredrik Reiner c1804
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 16 October 21 10:25 BST (UK) »
There is no other family named on the Naturalization Records. :(

He says he was born in The City of Mannheim - which is why the Baptism you sent looked promising.

His Declaration was made on 4th Dec 1850.
He said he had resided in the country for 26 years - making it 1824 when he came.
He said he was 46 years old - making his year of birth most likely 1804

Apparently at some point went to Switzerland to train with the Pestolozzi school of education and he was a teacher at Cheam School. There are quite a few references to him there. In some of the references they say he came from Frankfort (sic) but I think the declaration which he wrote and others on his behalf are more likely to be accurate.

I looked for the names of his proposed father - Friedrich Reiner & mother - Josephe Caroline Priese on FS but found nothing.
Although I've been using FS since it came online I just can not get on with this new format so may have missed something.

He was a very well respected Maths (and other science subjects) teacher and became a Professor of Mathematics so I am thinking he must have had a good education in Germany or wherever before he came here.

Thank you for your help

Judy
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Re: GERMANY Help with Karl Fredrik Reiner c1804
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 16 October 21 11:48 BST (UK) »
[Which source of yours indicates he changed his name from Karl to Charles? Just curious...
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Just to say Karl or Carl is the German form of Charles. So really he only Anglicised his name rather than changed it.

Judy
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Re: GERMANY Help with Karl Fredrik Reiner c1804
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 16 October 21 14:52 BST (UK) »
Just to say Karl or Carl is the German form of Charles.

Sorry, I only know the Latin and Spanish forms of Charles.

I'm still not finding anything relevant yet to the Reiner family on Ancestry. It could be that a marriage record and sibling births (if any) aren't online yet.

Was he also affiliated with Dulwich College? There's an 1884 record (w/ image) on Find My Past for him. Could be just a brief "obit" - as he died in 1884, correct? It's in FindMyPast's Dulwich College Registers collection. If he was staff (and not former student) it probably just mentions when and how he was affiliated to Dulwich College.

Ancestry has a records collection for Mannheim, but the records begin in 1870. So not much help to you. Ancestry also have a birth/baptism record for him in the Baden, Germany, Lutheran collection. So the family were presumably Lutheran? The record offers no additional details to the record I posted above.

Might be better to search the individual German collections on Family Search, for quicker results.

Examples:

Baden Church Book Duplicates, 1804-1877
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1395660

Germany Research Tips:

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Germany_Research_Tips_and_Strategies
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Germany_Record_Finder

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Re: GERMANY Help with Karl Fredrik Reiner c1804
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 16 October 21 16:13 BST (UK) »
Thank you for looking and helping. Much appreciated.

I have looked through all the FS records now and found nothing. I think Mannhein must not be transcribed yet or online.
Very lucky to find that Birth/Baptism which could be the one.

As for religion I just don't know but would expect to be Lutheran. His Naturalization declares that "he is Educating his family according to the Established Religion of this country" It also mentions that he too is of the Established Religion of this country.

Thank you again
Judy
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Re: GERMANY Help with Karl Fredrik Reiner c1804
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 16 October 21 16:33 BST (UK) »
Ancestry has this record for your consideration:

Germany, Select Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898
Name:   Friedrich Carl Reiner
Baptism Age:   0
Birth Date:   13. Okt 1804 (13 Oct 1804)
Baptism Date:   14. Okt 1804 (14 Oct 1804)
Baptism Place:   Mannheim (A. Mannheim), Baden, Germany
Residence Place:   Mannheim, Baden, Germany
Father:   Friedrich Reiner
Mother:   Josephe Caroline Priese
FHL Film Number:   1192144

The original document: http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/plink/?f=4-1228763-33

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Re: GERMANY Help with Karl Fredrik Reiner c1804
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 16 October 21 17:43 BST (UK) »
Hi there
The Lutheran records for Mannheim (and a lot of other places!) are online at Archion.

https://www.archion.de/en/

Unfortunately. this is a subscription ssite and costs 20 euros for one month,expires automatically. so you don't have to worry about cancelling it.
Downnsides :
1) only 50 image downloads within that time frame.
2) Old German Handwriting can be impossible to decipher depending on what alphabet characters are  being used. Obviously, it's all ABC etc (and a few more) but you wouldn't think that when you're looking at some old entries! You'd have to just focus on recognising the key word "Reiner" or "Karl" (which should be recognizable if only through its shortness)and hope you get lucky

I haven't got a subscription at the moment so cannot help
Good Luck!
Rebel
PS I also have a Karl/Carl in my family tree whose name evolved into Charles in London in the 1890s. Just a logical transition I expect.

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Re: GERMANY Help with Karl Fredrik Reiner c1804
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 17 October 21 11:10 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for the replies.

TreeSpirit Thank you so much for the web site of the original document - I have now looked at it.

 Can anyone interpret it for me as there looks to be other names on there too. Any ideas.

Also can I search for other Reiner births on there - finding it difficult to negotiate the site! :-[

cockney rebel Thank you for the website. I have registered with that and as my husband has a German line I am stuck on I will pay for a month after familiarising myself with his line so I can make use of the 50 downloads.

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Re: GERMANY Help with Karl Fredrik Reiner c1804
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 17 October 21 11:16 BST (UK) »
TreeSpirit Thank you so much for the web site of the original document - I have now looked at it.

Can anyone interpret it for me as there looks to be other names on there too. Any ideas.

What stood for me that it seems that both parents were from Gotha.

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Re: GERMANY Help with Karl Fredrik Reiner c1804
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 17 October 21 11:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you. Gotha is quite a way from Mannheim.
Does it say his profession or anything else as my German is non-existent!

Thank you
Judy
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