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Crimea War
« on: Wednesday 20 October 21 18:30 BST (UK) »
Hello,

My 2 X Great Grandfather John Norman served in the Crimean War with what I believe to be the Scots Foot Guards from 13 Apr 1855 to 4 Jul1856 and was at the siege of Sevastopol. His Regimental number was 5122, he was discharged from the Army in Nov 1856 when the Army was being reduced.

All I have managed to find regarding him are some documents relating to his length of service for a pension that he received from the Army in 1909.

I have not been able to find any attestation papers or his out pension register information from the Royal Chelsea Hospital.

John was born in 1837 in Halstead Essex.

Any further information about this period of his life would be greatly appreciated.
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Sherilla


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Re: Crimea War
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 October 21 19:33 BST (UK) »
There are two pages on FindMyPast from the Scots Guards records, including an extract from his attestation:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=s2%2fgbm%2fscots-g%2fsg_s10_1800-1857_5101-5200%2f00100&parentid=gbm%2fscg-serv%2f022870

He didn't serve long enough to qualify for an army pension.

Might the 1909 correspondence be to do with his claim for an Old Age Pension (introduced in 1909 for people aged 70 and over)?
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Re: Crimea War
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 24 October 21 16:51 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Thank you for your reply. You have managed to find the documents that I first saw but couldn't find again. I thought that he probably didn't serve long enough to get an Army Pension, but on both the 1911 census and on my 2 x great grandmother's death cert he is shown as an Army pensioner.

I am a little confused as to why the documents from the Scots Guards show a 9d for life pension starting from 11 3 09, surely this must relate to some kind of Army pension and not a state one? Could there have been something that he had done during his short service that might have contributed to this sum being allocated?

I just wish that I knew a bit more about this time in his life, but I am now resigned to not being able to find out any more information about his time in the Crimea.

Thank you again for your help, it is much appreciated.

Regards
Sherilla


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Re: Crimea War
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 24 October 21 20:05 BST (UK) »
It may have been a disability pension for an injury sustained in battle
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Crimea War
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 24 October 21 20:26 BST (UK) »
I'd missed that pension reference in the Scots Guards records!

He wasn't wounded so it wasn't a disability pension. It must have been a discretionary pension granted by the War Office. There are some newspaper reports of 9d a day pensions being awarded to Crimea veterans in the 1900s. Here's one:

 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000206%2f19010330%2f101&stringtohighlight=crimean%20war%20pension
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Re: Crimea War
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 24 October 21 20:36 BST (UK) »
this is an interesting thread. My ancestor was in the RA and he died in 1855 August if I remember. But can never find any records

I always wondered if his widow git a pension.

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 24 October 21 21:09 BST (UK) »
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This is an interesting thread. My ancestor was in the RA and he died in 1855 August if I remember. But can never find any records.
I always wondered if his widow git a pension.

She may have received some support from the Royal Patriotic Fund which was set up in October 1854 with Prince Albert as its President. Its purpose was to co-ordinate the collection and distribution of money donated by the public for the widows and orphans of men killed during the Crimean War. Commissioners were appointed across the country and aid was distributed according to the needs of each family.
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Re: Crimea War
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 24 October 21 21:15 BST (UK) »
how do you get access to this record? Thanks.

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 24 October 21 22:05 BST (UK) »
bart88, if you are asking about Patriotic Fund records, try the National Archives catalogue. 359 hits for "Patriotic Fund"
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=%22patriotic+fund%22
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