Relatives on a headstone but not in the grave

[Liverpool13]

I'm trying to trace a relative who is named is on a gravestone in Kirkbean cemetery. 'In memory of Margaret Heastie daughter of Andrew Heastie in Kirkbean who died January 16th 1815 aged 25 yrs. Also John Hastie who died at sea in the year 1825 aged 32 yrs and Simon who also died at sea in June 1832 aged 48 yrs'. I have a birth record for Margaret Heastie and for Simon Hastie although no record of his death. But I have no birth record for John Hastie and no death record. Could it be he may not be their brother and may be related in some other way? or Just no birth record on file? Thank you

[MonicaL]

Welcome to RootsChat, Liverpool13 

Remember that official registration in Scotland did not start until 1855. Only about a third of BMD events were recorded on the old Parish Registers, with burials being the worst kept records for many parishes. Not surprising, you haven't found any death or burial details for Simon and John if they are recorded on the MI as having died at sea. The fact that there is no birth recorded for John in the OPRs is unfortunately one of those things. At least you have him mentioned on the MI otherwise you would likely have no knowledge about him.

Monica

[wivenhoe]

Are these the only names recorded on the headstone?

Can you post an image of the headstone? 

The presentation of the inscriptions can be as useful as is the substance of the inscription.

It would be useful to know if the inscriptions are contemporary with the events, or made many years later.

Were the HEASTIEs /HASTIEs a family of mariners?. Did any of this family emigrate...where to?.

Were John and Simon crew members on a ship, or passengers I wonder.

"John Hastie who died at sea in the year 1825 aged 32 yrs " This just records a year.

"Simon who also died at sea in June 1832 aged 48 yrs'."  A bit more known about Simon's death.

[Liverpool13]

Thanks for replies. I have attached screenshot of the grave as requested. (Hope it works)

Simon Hastie moved his family to Liverpool and is recorded as a mariner so my assumption is John was the same especially as Kirkcudbright had many mariners/fisherman.

Thanks again

[Calverley Lad]

If the headstone includes names of persons  not buried usually its a person remembered and note of burial location RIP (if a casualty of war).
 Brian

[KGarrad]

The Headstone says "In Memory Of" - doesn't state they were buried there

[wivenhoe]

Some thoughts to ponder, leading nowhere in particular.........

The inscription for Margaret HEASTIE was made 1813, or later.

The inscription for John HASTIE and Simon HASTIE was  made at the one time, same style of lettering. That inscription was made 1832 or later. As it has a day and date, we could work with the idea that the inscription is contemporary with the death of Simon, at which occasion, the death of John was also memorialised.

This second inscription was placed high up, and directly underneath the earlier inscription for Margaret, and leaving .....how much space below for additional inscriptions?

How was this burial plot, and the headstone intended to be used?

What does the whole headstone look like?

"died at SEA"...I wonder what that means in the currency of words used at that time and in that place?  Is it different to "lost at sea"?  What words do you see on other headstones in the cemetery for people whose death was associated with the sea?.

Do other headstones for such deaths include a location?....Atlantic, North Sea, etc?

In this cemetery are other members of this HASTIE family (close family, same generation) also buried?

You might expect that there was another family death between Margaret, 1813, and Simon, 1832.

Was this burial plot reserved to record deaths / burials for siblings?. Was Simon married, did he have a family.

John's death has only a year. Was this a ship that was lost with no survivors?

Was this good quality stone...survived for such a long time, with inscriptions intact and legible.

Did Simon leave a Will?