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James Gould/Guild
« on: Wednesday 27 October 21 08:12 BST (UK) »
Sorry, don't know if this is the correct place to post this!

I have a relative named James Gould. Died in Edinburgh in 1854 and was born roughly in 1779. He stated on both census' that he was from Edinburgh, however I can't find any birth record for him (not unusual for back then, of course). Looking up other people's births around then that have the same surname I think I may have found who his parent's were, but I wanted to post on here to get someone else's opinion. Basically, tell me if i'm clutching to straws here please!

James married Isabella Foot in 1802 in Edinburgh, however was under the name Guild instead of Gould but this is definitely the correct man.

Another person of the surname Guild also married in Edinburgh, in the same parish (Greyfriars) in 1792. Her name was Isabel Guild and she married Duncan McIntyre. On her marriage note it states her father is John Guild of East Lothian.

John Guild of East Lothian married Agnes Dick, they had 5 children (1764, 1769, 1762, 1771 and 1776) all were born in Gladsmuir, East Lothian.

My theory is John and Agnes are the parents of James Gould/Guild
Here's where the connections begin.

John Guild worked as a Wright/Labourer, at some point James also worked as a Labourer, so there's a small connection there. Although, James spent most of his life working as a Spirit Porter.

James Gould/Guild could have been born in East Lothian and just stated it was Edinburgh as it was fairly close, or his parent's were in Edinburgh at the time of his birth which is why there is no birth note for him.

John Guild and Agnes Dick, according to their marriage note from Gladsmuir, got a marriage certificate in Edinburgh, I'm not sure if this is unusual though.

This one is my main connection between them. James had a daughter named Isabel Agnes Gould, could this be named after his mother and sister? It was unusual back then to have a middle name.

I can post the BMD certificates if people are wanting to look at them, themselves.

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Re: James Gould/Guild
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 27 October 21 10:17 BST (UK) »
Not wishing to confuse but this is how the death is recorded on Scotland's People

GOOLD   JAMES   Died    Age 75   13/12/1854   Edinburgh

Is this James in 1851?

W. Richmond St. St Cuthberts
GOULD   James   Head   72   Porter           MLN   Edinburgh      
GOULD   Isabella   Wife   72                      MLN   Edinburgh      
GOULD   Robert   Son   32   Brass Founder   MLN   Edinburgh      

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: James Gould/Guild
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 27 October 21 10:27 BST (UK) »
Not wishing to confuse but this is how the death is recorded on Scotland's People

GOOLD   JAMES   Died    Age 75   13/12/1854   Edinburgh

Is this James in 1851?

W. Richmond St. St Cuthberts
GOULD   James   Head   72   Porter           MLN   Edinburgh      
GOULD   Isabella   Wife   72                      MLN   Edinburgh      
GOULD   Robert   Son   32   Brass Founder   MLN   Edinburgh      

Colin

Yes, sorry it states Goold on SP, but having read it Iím sure it reads Gould, his wife is down as Gould in 1857.
His son Robert in that census is my G-G-G Grandfather. Iím not sure what happened to Isabel Agnes, she may have moved to America but I canít be certain.

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Re: James Gould/Guild
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 27 October 21 11:00 BST (UK) »
JAMES GOULD/ISABELLA FOOT children

HELEN 8/04/1803 St Cuthbert's death 3/04/1805

Edinburgh

HELEN 18/09/1809, ISABEL AGNES 12/04/1812, ROBERT 15/07/1818

No record for Margaret who appears on the 1841 census with the family age 15 (1822-1826)?

Possible death of Helen above?
HELEN GUILD   Burial    JAMES GUILD   07/10/1811   Edinburgh


GOULD   JAMES   JOHN GOULD/AGNESS DICK    12/02/1779   Gladsmuir, East Lothian

FOOT   ISABEL   ROBERT FOOT/MARGARET JACK    02/08/1778   Bo'Ness, West Lothian

JOHN GUILD   Married    AGNESS DICK   02/02/1762   Gladsmuir

Look like they had 8 children, including Isabel, Helen & Margaret.

All seems to fit to me.

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.


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Re: James Gould/Guild
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 October 21 11:34 BST (UK) »
I wonder if this is Isabella Agnes, age slightly out  on censuses compared to 1812 baptism but worth consideration.

Banns at both I guess.
GOOLD   ISABELLA   WILLIAM STEVENSON   16/03/1831   Stirling
GOOLD   ISABELLA   WILLIAM STEVENSON   16/03/1831   St Cuthbert's

WILLIAM STEVENSON/ISABELLA GOOLD Ė children Stirling

WILLIAM GOOLD 25/05/1832, JOHN GREENWELL 14/03/1834
JAMES MCVAY 20/04/1836, ISABELLA BURNEL 12/06/1839

1841 St John Street, Stirling
STEVENSON   William   M   40   Clergyman   OUC   
STEVENSON   Isabella   F   30      OUC   
STEVENSON   William   M   9      STI   
STEVENSON   John   M   7      STI   
STEVENSON   James   M   5      STI   
STEVENSON   Isabella   F   1      STI   
COCHRANE   Isabella   F   25   Female Servant   STI   

1851 George Street, Glasgow both censuses on freereg.
STEVENSON   Isabella   Wife   M   F   41   Clergymans Wife   MLN   Edinburgh

Isabella is with children and several others. William is still in Stirlingshire but still married.

Colin

Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: James Gould/Guild
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 October 21 13:43 BST (UK) »
JAMES GOULD/ISABELLA FOOT children

HELEN 8/04/1803 St Cuthbert's death 3/04/1805

Edinburgh

HELEN 18/09/1809, ISABEL AGNES 12/04/1812, ROBERT 15/07/1818

No record for Margaret who appears on the 1841 census with the family age 15 (1822-1826)?

Possible death of Helen above?
HELEN GUILD   Burial    JAMES GUILD   07/10/1811   Edinburgh


GOULD   JAMES   JOHN GOULD/AGNESS DICK    12/02/1779   Gladsmuir, East Lothian

FOOT   ISABEL   ROBERT FOOT/MARGARET JACK    02/08/1778   Bo'Ness, West Lothian

JOHN GUILD   Married    AGNESS DICK   02/02/1762   Gladsmuir

Look like they had 8 children, including Isabel, Helen & Margaret.

All seems to fit to me.

Colin

Thanks Colin,

Isabella Foot, was born in Edinburgh though to Robert Foot and Helen Dawson. No sing of an Isabella born to them but there was an Elizabeth in 1779 so thereís a possibility itís her.